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Offline MickG

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Ghost signs
« on: 20 March, 2012, 10:32:31 PM »
It has become apparent from another thread that there is an interest in old street signs. Rather than clutter that particular thread with unrelated material, I though it better to start a new thread on the subject.

Digging around on Flickr, I found other old signs around Newham, the links are below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/3559182626/in/set-72157618620032673
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/576693076/in/set-72157618620032673
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/294945146/in/set-72157618620032673
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/294946617/in/set-72157618620032673

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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #1 on: 20 March, 2012, 10:43:45 PM »
Great thread Mick  :)

I wonder if councils have any powers to preserve them? -

This name reminds me of getting some Pick n mix in East Ham Woolworths before going for a day out to Southend  :)  - along with Merry Maid chocolate toffees (now called Jamesons)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sludgeulper/2692255739/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sludgeulper/2693069278/in/photostream/

One at East Ham station http://www.flickr.com/photos/magictree/1956663676/

I found references to a sign still in existence on the side of a building once called Blossoms Cleaners/Laundry (Now an Indian Wedding Shop) that says "Don't kill your wife...Let us do it"  ;D - funnily enough, earlier today I saw an ad on a leaflet for an old theatre near East Ham station with that wording on, so it must have been for that shop.





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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #2 on: 21 March, 2012, 06:58:48 AM »
Mark/Mick

The attached photo is of the flank wall above, what is now The Novelty Bakery!"on the corner of Strone Road/High St North Manor Park.
The sign refers to Capons, a family run shoe shop, that traded from the shop until the early 1960s. I remember having shoes bought for me there as a child and recall that the store was run by 2 brothers and another man who were always attired in smart suits.

With regard to Mark's comment regarding "Don't kill your wife - Let us do it". This was the slogan of Maycocks Laundry at the junction of Green Street/Redcliffe Road Upton Park. Although that business has now gone the words can still be seen around the clock on the corner of the building.

Doug

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« Reply #3 on: 21 March, 2012, 06:38:24 PM »
Thanks Doug.

I just googled the expression and this came up as the first item.  http://tinyurl.com/7bmesz6

Not really a ghost sign, but a relic nevertheless.

I suppose it must have been called Blossom & Browne's after it was Maycocks.

This is where I saw the Programme for East Ham Palace theatre with the ad for Maycocks http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/EastHamPalaceTheatre.htm

Also an "interesting" advert advertising for young female staff further down.

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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #4 on: 21 March, 2012, 09:24:27 PM »
MBRENNAN,

LOVED THE PICTURE OF THE OLD EAST HAM PALACE, SPENT MANY AN EVENING THERE WHEN THEY HAD DRAMAS SUCH
AS "MURDER IN THE RED BARN", VERY SCARY IN THOSE DAYS, BUT A GREAT NIGHT OUT, USED TO WALK UP THE HIGH STREET
FROM SECOND AVE., OFF OF CHURCH ROAD, MANOR PARK. AND GOING HOME  IF THERE WAS ENOUGH PENNIES LEFT A PAPER FULL OF CHIPS.

NOTICE LARKINS SHOP STILL THERE BUT WAS IT LARKINS THEN ?I WONDER OR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT?

LOUISE.

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« Reply #5 on: 21 March, 2012, 09:55:26 PM »
Hi Louise,

I don't know anything about Larkins. I'm trying to get my bearings. I assume the Palace Theatre was on the spot that later became C&A and even that has been knocked down now  :-\ - they call it progress. I loved C&A as a kid. I remember the spotless shiny floors and the smell in there was lovely. They must have been on of the first places with CCTV as I remember the 'Robot' cameras.

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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #6 on: 21 March, 2012, 10:48:38 PM »
Hi Mark
Great Photo's. That Flickr site has some very interesting photo's on there. Next time I go to East Ham by train I'll have a look for that sign.

You are right about C&A being on the site of the East Ham Palace and Larkins I believe was on the opposite corner and among other things sold lovely roasted peanuts. I think it is mentioned in the High St North thread.

Doug
I remember as a child being taken to Capons to buy my shoes. Mum tells me that she used to pay so much each week and the amount was entered into a book and when she had saved enough she gave over the book as payment and then started saving again.

Linda

Sorry should have said The East Ham High Street thread
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« Reply #7 on: 21 March, 2012, 11:07:31 PM »
I forgot to post this yesterday. Another photo of The Palace, taken from a different angle. Note liveried driver  :D

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/old_postcard_the_palace_east_ham_london-239982270306522057

(also photos of Green Street, Stratford etc)

Mark

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« Reply #8 on: 22 March, 2012, 07:19:58 AM »
Another one I saw doing a "Google walk" - it looks like 'Evans Corner'. There is a cheapo furniture shop there now. Not sure if there was previously a furniture shop called Evans there? (corner of Barking Rd/Green St - opp. The Boleyn)
 
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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #9 on: 22 March, 2012, 08:17:12 AM »
Mark

I may be wrong, and no doubt someone will correct me, but I think that "Evans" on the corner of Green Street and Barking Road was a Grocery shop in the 1950s.

Doug

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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #10 on: 22 March, 2012, 08:43:02 AM »
I remember the Evans Corner sign years ago when it was still prominent. There was a shop named Evans but I cannot remember what they sold although a lingering thought of furniture does remain. The Green St/Barking Rd junction is known by every one as the Boleyn, even buses use that name on their route boards. I always though the sign was an attempt to make the junction known by a different catch-phrase like Gardiners Corner was on the Whitechapel Rd/Commercial Rd junction. If that was the intention, it obviously never succeeded despite the size of the sign.

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« Reply #11 on: 22 March, 2012, 09:12:33 AM »
I found Evan on a list of shops in London with the wire-system for cash. http://www.ids.u-net.com/cash/locations/eng-london.htm

Funnily enough, the info was supplied by people on The Newham Forum (the old version) but the links are now dead.

I know it isn't Newham, but I see Bearmans in Leytonstone is on the list. My mum used to tell us about the money going up in the tube to the cash office when she worked there in the early 1950s.
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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #12 on: 22 March, 2012, 04:23:56 PM »
My first memory, as a ten year old, of Evans Corner was in 1935 was when it was a largish grocery shop with its main entrance on the Barking Road side.  It also extended a little way down into Green Street where crockery and kitchen hardware were sold.  On the opposite Green Street corner was/is a pub, the Boleyn Tavern, my grandmother's favourite. Very slightly further along in the Barking Road was the Boleyn Cinema which was demolished in ‘36ish to make way for the Odeon which opened in 1938.
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« Reply #13 on: 27 March, 2012, 10:04:55 AM »
I read on one site that the reason most of these ghost signs survive is because they were painted with lead-based paint which lasts a lot longer than modern paint.

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Re: Ghost signs
« Reply #14 on: 27 March, 2012, 04:18:39 PM »

Mick the Boleyn was never perhaps as well known to some as Gardinars Corner(Aldgate),I know Naval Issue was from there,  whether this was just MN or Royal I am not sure, and think this made it a famous Corner?
I always remember the Bus Conductor shouting out Gardinars Corner for Aldgate Station.

Back to the Boleyn as far as I am concerned it was FAMOUS also,to me as a child wherever you wanted to go the
Boleyn was always mentioned  Had an AUBURN haired Cousin named Miriam (called Mim) worked on the Bar
for quite a number of years. (Mind you I am going back to late 30/40's).

Also strange I worked in the Cash Office of a famous (then) Super Market, and my Supervisor was a lady called
Brenda, and we found out one day talking as you do, that she knew the Boleyn through working on a large
Vegetable stall attatched to the Grocer Store that I understand is now Evans. Is this remembered bye a poster?
Louise.