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Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Dockland
« Last post by MickG on 19 March, 2019, 03:06:35 PM »
Ken, You may be interested in the link below to a 1893 Ordnance Survey map of the docks which you will need to copy and past into your browser. I have centred in on the old Customs House where the Queens pipe used to be located. I did check on Google maps but it all seems to have gone now under the Excel Centre and its environs.

Interestingly enough, It was the Custom House in the docks that the surrounding area was named after. An earlier 1867 version of this maps shows Custom House and much of Canning Town did not exist at all at that time. Everything north of the dock wall was marshland. Even Victoria Dock Road was called Liliput Road then.

The second link is to the earlier map. The maps can be zoomed in and out.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/101919807#zoom=5&lat=1902&lon=7022&layers=BT

https://maps.nls.uk/view/103313030#zoom=5&lat=1617&lon=6515&layers=BT
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Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Dockland
« Last post by KenM on 13 March, 2019, 11:57:31 AM »
Hi Ed, you are spot on with the café, almost opposite the end of Freemasons Rd.
Cork Insulation did have a lorry, used mainly to transport the painters equipment, but if Joe Bicheno was feeling happy, he would organise it to take the men & their tools to Dollar Bay.
I'm not to sure as I was one of the regular chippies & only moved away just before Cork closed.
Ken.
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Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Dockland
« Last post by ed styles on 12 March, 2019, 04:07:24 PM »
Ken , was the cafe you referred to the one just tucked into the Railway siding opposite the Railway Tavern pub I remember it being faiorly small and just along from the steps the footbridge taking you into and over the railway into the Vic docks . This was where You and I wouid pick up casual ships carpentry work for Cork Insulation on the Blue Star boats . I spoke to my oppo Fred the other day and we can't remember how we ended up down at Dollar Bay where the ship was working ,we certainly didn't walk the length of the Burma Rd ( Nth side Albert Dock ) with loaded Tool bags , we think we went by lorry , perhaps you remember .Those days I was 21 and didn't have a car so all my Ship works was by Shanks Pony and also no buses ran inside the Docks then if I remember.

 All the best Ed
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Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Dockland
« Last post by KenM on 08 March, 2019, 03:33:41 PM »
Mick, thanks for prompt reply.
I must have seen it many times without knowing it, as I used the café in that area when working on the Blue Star ships. I hope that the dock development board have not demolish it in the name of improvement.
Ken.
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Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Dockland
« Last post by MickG on 08 March, 2019, 03:02:02 PM »
Ken, This was located just inside the Royal Victoria Dock wall near the junction of Victoria Dock Road and Freemasons Road. You could see it from the roadway. We used to call it the Queens Pipe. It was certainly here until the docks closed and were opened up to the public.
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Newham memories and nostalgia / Dockland
« Last post by KenM on 08 March, 2019, 01:04:13 PM »
I can recall my dear old dad telling me about The Queens Chimney located somewhere in the royal docks.
He did say it was where contraband was burnt, although I worked in the docks for a few years I never discovered where is was. Did it get destroyed in the bombing during the war?
Ken.
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Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: 1950s/docks
« Last post by MickG on 08 March, 2019, 12:59:34 PM »
Something most of us are used to whether we worked in the docks of have seen pictures of them, is seeing ships moored alongside the quayside. However this does not always appear to have been the case. The 1934 picture of the Royal Victoria Dock shows ships used to moor stern end onto what is now the quayside with further jetty extensions protruding from the main quayside into the dock.

I would assume this arrangement allowed more ships to moor at the same time. Photographs from the 1940's onwards show the extension jetties had gone be then.

Royal Victoria Dock 1934 (https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW046155 Britain from Above copyright licence requirement)


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Historical Newham / Re: West Ham Buildings
« Last post by MickG on 06 March, 2019, 12:20:18 AM »
Hello Andy, Great to hear from you again. I did find another photograph on the Britain from Above website that was obviously taken at the same time as the one you have already seen. This one is centred on the old Rathbone Street with Barking Road running through the middle and reaches as far east as the Barking Road/Star Lane junction.

I did zoom into the circular features you mention which you can do on their website although there comes a point where definition starts to break down with the greater magnification. At first I though these circular features looked too shallow to be Emergency Water Supply Tanks (EWS) but I found another one which was still full of water located on Hudson Road. I also looked up images these tanks on Google which confirms that is exactly what they are. The one on Google are brick built and look about four feet high, but they do contain a good supply of water.

I also note there is a row of five Nissan huts in Percy Road and in the second photograph, (unpublished here), there is a row of prefabs running either side of Fisher Street.
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Historical Newham / Re: West Ham Buildings
« Last post by Andy C on 05 March, 2019, 07:38:30 PM »
Hello MikG and all the old timers who still monitor this site like I do. Thanks for resurrecting these photo's as they show the area in which I lived from 1948 until 1977. Centre of the top photo shows Liverpool Road in almost its entirety, from Barking Road to Star Lane with the blue flag indicating The Anchor PH. The bomb damaged area is now the location of Avondale Court. Prior to the devastation caused by a land mine the road through the site was Gage Road, when the court was constructed the road was split with the north becoming Dale Road. What is of interest, is the houses adjacent to the site that appear to have sheeting over their roofs. I also noticed a circular feature on the bomb site and one of similar shape on the bomb site at the top of Malmesbury Road close to Star Lane, could these be water tanks used by the AFB to supplement water supplies. Incidentally the low level building in Liverpool Road was still there in 1977, we held our wedding reception there.

Good to be back AndyC
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Historical Newham / Re: Wives of Henry VIIIth.
« Last post by MickG on 05 March, 2019, 10:31:51 AM »
Doug, I did try researching this but could find no definitive information online. That really only leaves supposition, but I think even so, that reasonable deductions can be made.

Although there is also a Howard's Road in Plaistow, I think that can be dismissed from the equation. Although often thought to be in West Ham, possibly because of the name of the adjoining football ground, Green Street House, (Boleyn Castle), was actually in the Borough of East Ham as eventually was West Ham Football Club with the boundary line between the two boroughs running down the middle of Green Street. This meant that East Ham Council, then I still think under the Essex County Council, would have had responsibility for the naming of roads in this area. The Ordnance Survey map of 1892-1914 shows there were insufficient existing roads in the surrounding area at the time to include all  the names Henry VII's wives or associated Tudor names. The northern tip of this block of roads was still bounded by the ornamental lake which had been part of the gardens of Green Street House. To the west after Aragon Road,  no further roads are shown as coming north off Barking Road other St Bernard's Road before High Street North is reached.

My best guess and it is only a guess, is that Howard Road East Ham was named when that particular development came along, and developers were looking for street names at the time.

As a point of interest, one reference I had in the London Fire Brigade before I retired, was to approve all new street and building names within Greater London. One thing I would certainly not have approved was two roads named the same within 2 miles of each other and certainly not in the same borough. However both Howard Roads were named at a time when different criteria applied.


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