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Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: East Ham High Street
« on: 07 December, 2018, 11:05:21 AM »
Linda, I suspect you are probably correct but I cannot be certain. I was unable to locate anything in old telephone directories, but I have ben able to establish the building you are looking at is 203 High Street North. Ii looks like they had double blinds to cover the shop front, but only one blind appears to have been pulled down and the rest of the business name being on the other unfurled blind.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: West Ham Lane
« on: 05 December, 2018, 12:10:23 PM »
Broadway Cinema, Tramway Avenue, later renamed The Gaumont.

Tramway Avenue, Bus stop out side Gaumont Cinema.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: West Ham Lane
« on: 30 November, 2018, 09:06:55 AM »
Poppy. I did check the 1893-95 Ordnance Survey map and apart from Tthe Swan, no public houses are shown behind it. The building arrangement behind The Swan is also shown as being different on other Ordnance Survey maps before and after Tramway Avenue was created. I can only assume The Victoria came into being after the construction of Tramway Avenue.

Newham memories and nostalgia / West Ham Lane
« on: 26 November, 2018, 04:50:11 PM »
West Ham Lane was originally a connecting road between the settlements of Stratford and West Ham. As the area expanded, the thoroughfare became a mini-shopping area in its own right and also sported the local police station, court house and Queen Mary's Hospital.

The picture below is looking towards Stratford Broadway and the corner of West Ham Town Hall can just be seen on the left. At this time (1902) Tramway Avenue did not exist, but a narrow alley along side The Swan Public Hose, led to a tram depot out of sight on the right. Shorty after this photograph was taken, some of the buildings on the right which included a working men's club, were demolished to make way for the new Tramway Avenue

West Ham Lane 1902

Tracing your family history / Re: 2011 census
« on: 20 November, 2018, 10:14:29 PM »
One of the big differences with the 1911 census is that it was the first time the census was completed by the householder rather than the enumerator. I think prior to that when census taking started in 1941, not everyone was literate. There are pros and cons however with the census being completed by either the householder or the enumerator. The enumerator wrote down things as they sounded and this led to lots of surnames being misspelled. With the house holder, often a persons first name was put down as what they used to call them. Jim instead of James would be an example of that.

The 1921 is likely to be the last census we will see for many a year. I am not certain but I think the 1931 may have been destroyed during the war, the same way many WW1 military records were. About 25% of those military records survived but many of the images have burned edges. There was no census in 1941 due to the war, but there is the 1939 war registration records now available which are very useful. These records show name, address, age and occupation. The only problem is the images have a number of black lines across the page saying 'This record is officially closed'. These lines tend to block out some name so a little guesswork is required.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Newham Public House History
« on: 18 November, 2018, 12:56:56 PM »
Some of the most frequented buildings of the past must have been the Public House. Although to be found in virtually every village, east London and Newham had more than their fair share. Public Houses or in many cases Inns are some of the oldest buildings to be found on maps. Many transformed with newer buildings over the years but remained on the same site. Now due to rapidly changing social trends, often centuries of history are rapidly coming to an end, as like sand castles on the beach, public houses fall one after one to the incoming tide of modernity.

Newham had something of a reputation for public houses with seemingly one appearing to be on every street corner, and also halfway along each street. I remember as a youth trying with friends to 'do the round' of Stratford Broadway which has something like fourteen public houses all in close proximity to each other. Although some public houses had notorious reputations, for most people they were places where they could socialise with others on what was something of a neutral ground. Public house also served as a form of escapism from what was poor housing conditions at the time.

I have started by adding a few photographs to the White Horse Inn that proudly used to stand in High Street South opposite Central Park, and which has now sadly fallen to redevelopment.

The original White Horse circa 1900

The White Horse following heavy WW2 bomb damage

The White Horse in 2003 (photo by Brian Berry)

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: East Ham High Street
« on: 13 November, 2018, 08:59:39 AM »
This is another old picture I came across on Facebook of High Street North. The location is looking north near East Ham Station. The first turning on the left is Milton Avenue. Although undated, presumably  it has to be between 1901 - 1932 when East Ham Tramways operated. The absence of motorised traffic and the horse and cart in the distance, suggests pre-World War 1.  Although the road surface appears to be cobbles, they might be wooden blocks

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: lord sugars the apprentice
« on: 11 November, 2018, 12:38:50 PM »
When I first left school, for my first year until I could ride a motorbike, I was a telegram boy on a push bike based at Poplar. The area I covered included the East/West and Millwall docks. I was frequently in the docks delivering telegrams, and for a newly left schoolboy, the language was certainly an education. A few years later when I joined the fire service I was based at Plaistow which was a docks station covering the Royals. I can certainly remember the docks being busy and full of life and I seem to recall seeing two ships berthed abreast of each other.

Busy and big as they were, the docks were certainly not a 'public' place with every possible way into them guarded by police. I always found that made them something of a closed society, and I found it very difficult in my own mind when they closed, to be able to accept it was then possible to walk into what had been the dock area without some sort of guard on a entrance.

The last two years of my career I spent in a new London Fire Brigade Control Room which had been built alongside the Millwall Dock. That building too has now been demolished in the ongoing transient nature of building in that area. It's ironic in a way that I started and ended my working life in the same area. Sometimes I used to change from the Underground to the LDR at Canary Wharf, and I could never stop thinking that like Lord Sugar on the runway, I was standing in the middle of what used to be the West India Dock.

It also took me a long time to come to terms that the Isle of Dogs dock area which I had know like the back of my hand, had been completely erased as if someone had drawn a rubber across a piece of paper. I have not been to what was the Royal Dock area for many years, but I expect I would have a similar feeling if I did pay them a visit. In some ways I think I would prefer not to go and retain the memories of what they were like.

Wartime stories / Re: What was "war damage payment"?
« on: 27 October, 2018, 10:08:45 AM »
Hello Rogier, Welcome back and it's great to hear from you again.

I did try looking up the answer to your question about reparations for war damage to Trinity Church. I did not get too far I am sorry to say and I suspect you might have already tried to research this yourself.

All I could really find was details to a 1943 War Damages Act and the creation of a War Damages Commission but most of this dealt with principles rather than detail. However because this was a national body, it is likely detailed records, if any, would now be stored in the national archives. It is also likely the Church of England also has its own records stored somewhere.

I would not really know where to start when trying to assess the financial cost of war damage. Clearly areas like Canning Town faced significant damage as indeed did other areas of the country like Coventry. I think it likely other countries occupied by German forces may have faced even heavier financial  losses.

It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any definitive information.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: East Ham High Street
« on: 09 October, 2018, 05:10:37 PM »
I found this picture for Alf of a Ultra Radiogram. Possibly not quite the same model but probably something similar. This is selling for £70, a similar price Alf paid back in 1974.

Harry's comments about his demob suit reminded me of a story my elder brother told me when he did his National Service. He was in the Essex Regiment based at Colchester and said they had to march through the town to a sports ground several times a week. He said they wore berets, army singlet and shorts only, topped of by boots and gaiters. He said they looked a right sight marching through the town.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: East Ham High Street
« on: 07 October, 2018, 10:14:57 PM »
I looked up Lew Rose in the 1959 telephone directory and Ed is quite right about the building in the photograph. Lew Rose business is show as being at 387 Barking Road and the premises are currently occupied by the Paddy Power betting chain. The telephone directory also shows Lew Rose had a total of six shops the others being in Walthamstow High Street, High Road N22, High St Stratford, Rye Lane Peckham and Uxbridge Road Shepherds Bush.

Sporting Newham / Re: West Ham stadium main gates
« on: 04 October, 2018, 10:36:37 PM »
Jason, I have no particular interest in West Ham Stadium in the sense that I have never followed either speedway or dog racing. However being based at Plaistow Fire Station it was on my fireground so I had to know its layout. I agree that photographs of the stadium do seem hard to come by at least on the internet. I have copied below a few more that I came across although the chances are you already have them.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: East Ham High Street
« on: 02 October, 2018, 10:07:07 AM »
This is another picture of the Barking Road/Hight Street South junction. Although undated, it is probably early 1900's. East Ham Corporation started running trams in 1901 and as there is an existing tram in the picture, it must be soon after that date. This looks like an extension of the track system being laid toward the docks.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Angel Lane.........memory Lane.
« on: 26 September, 2018, 10:13:06 PM »
Hello Poppy. I think this is the picture you are thinking of.

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Angel Lane.........memory Lane.
« on: 25 September, 2018, 01:40:19 AM »
Angel Lane 1964.

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