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The Newham Story => Looking for a lost friend or relative => Topic started by: KenM on 17 March, 2018, 11:48:01 AM

Title: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 17 March, 2018, 11:48:01 AM
Hi, are there any former pupils of Mr Davey out there who may recall the good times?
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 19 March, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
hi Ken I was one of your classmates at shipman road and like you I often remember old classmates and wonder how life treated them over the years.
I remember some names Stanley Whinne George Hobbs bob brooks winkle Waite harry Dodds  prof Bavins  Colin Nichols  Jhon Chapple David Stone  Joyce Angel Elaine Mutter Lillian Stone Madge Bridger Rosie King Doreen Harvey Valerie Walker,and others that don,t come back to mind .
I believe Harry Dodds became a publican Colin Nichols I remember standing at the traffic lights at the junction of Becton road and Prince Regents lane in his police uniform complete with his sergeants stripes on view.
You gave a resume of your life perhaps others can fill in bits of some of the other ex pupils
Anyway nice to see another old name from the old site back in the fold as it were .
Regards Harry I
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 19 March, 2018, 04:19:51 PM
Hi Harry, thanks for your reply,its good to hear from you.
I lost touch with most of my school pals when I went to start my apprenticeship at Tate & Lyles.
I did bump into George Hobbs after he had completed his National Service, I believe in Kenya.
Tommy Smith moved down here to Bournemouth some years ago, sadly he died last year.
I cannot recall many of the class names, but I do have a tatty photograph of the group taken in the playground by Mr Davey.
Looking at that will I hope prod the old brain cells into life.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 24 March, 2018, 01:07:36 PM
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Any pupils in Mr Davey class may recall this being taken.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 14 July, 2018, 02:23:04 PM
Hi Ken one of the lessons we had In Mr Daveys class was when we were asked to memorise a poem and I like most of the class picked a poem that was very short and so was easy to memorise.

There was one lad in the class that in my opinion picked the opposite he picked apoem called Young Lochinvar that seemd to go on for ever.This is where you have to give the old grey cells a prod,the lads name was Ronald Tuff,remember that name from around 1948Ken .    Regards H Isles
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: MickG on 15 July, 2018, 01:17:53 PM
Harry, when I first joined the fire service, they had educational exercises by post to help encourage an individuals standard or writing. One of those exercised was to learn a poem which started off, "Little words mean big things like love, peace, hate, war". It then went on to describe how big words often mean little things. It was a way of saying it is better when writing to use small well chosen powerful words that contain a lot of meaning.

I have tried finding that poem on the internet, so far without success. I recall it ended up with words to the effect, that if all else fails, then use big words to confound your enemies. The lessons I learned from that simple poem certainly have stood me well over the years.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: Laramie on 15 July, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
Hi Mick Poem you were thinking about  might be this one.Called Never Fear Big Long Words.Big Long Words Mean Little Things. By Arthur Kudner . Look it up on
Pretty sure this is the one,by what you said.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: MickG on 15 July, 2018, 07:14:08 PM
Hello Laramie, many thanks for that. Now I know the line to quote in Google I quickly found it.

It is a long time ago since I read it which is why I could not quite remember the words, but yes that is the one. When I was originally taught it, the key object of the exercise was all about communication. The ability to accurately pass on your thoughts in such a way the reader will completely understand  Not only has the lessons learned from this little poem greatly helped me throughout my life. I also know when reading something written by someone else whether they are waffling or not. It's amazing how many wafflers there are out there.

Never fear big long words.
 Big long words mean little things.
 All big things have little names,
 Such as life and death, peace and war,
 Or dawn, day, night, hope, love, home.
 Learn to use little words in a big way.
 It is hard to do,
 But they say what you mean.
 When you don't know what you mean,
 Use big words--
 That often fools little people.
 -- Arthur Kudner
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 16 July, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
Hi Harry, I vaguely recall the ,Ronald Tuff, but cannot put a face to the name. But I do remember the exercise, re, learning a poem & like you I chose a one liner. Great teacher, great times.

Hi MickG, Brexit has brought out the wafflers, my vote must go to Mr Trump.

It is nice to see some activity on the forum again.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 16 July, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Hi Ken The sort of poem that would readily come to mind  was one I remember said by one of our classmates no names no  pack drill, was  The boy stood on the burning deck picking his nose like mad rolling it up in little balls and flicking them at his Dad boom boom!!!
Regards Harry .I
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 16 July, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
Hi Mick how true words are to that poem.

Regards Harry I
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 16 July, 2018, 02:31:41 PM
Hi all in the last couple of weeks I found on you tube a poem put to music and sung by Paul Robeson the poem was by Joyce Kilmer.
 I found it was one of those tunes that you get stuck in your head and have a job to get rid of.
Might I suggest you give it a try and see what you think the poem was called Trees.
Regards Harry I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: MickG on 16 July, 2018, 11:00:08 PM
Hello Harry, Trees by Joyce Kilmer and sung by Paul Robeson I have always liked. I incorporated into my website several years ago at;
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 17 July, 2018, 11:37:20 AM
Harry, another one out of your bumper fun book.
I have just played Trees sung by Paul Robeson from a vinyl track, a truly wonderful voice, even the vinyl hissing & cracking makes it special.
Another talented person ripped to pieces by the yanks for speaking his mind.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 18 August, 2018, 01:11:01 PM
Hi Ken Talking of old school mates the firm I worked for sold the works at Stratford and moved to Hertford road Barking.
The river Roding ran around the back of the new works and was tidal connected to the river Thames and it was not unusual to see Barges moving up and down the river.
One  day to my surprise I spotted an old school mate strolling through the works to get to Hertford Road as a way of going home.
The mates name was Davey who,s nick name at school was Davos it  turned out that he was a Lighterman and he was moving a barge loaded with logs for a veneer firm up river from Barking Creek.
Obviously the barge had to move with the tide and when the tide turned he tied barge up until the tide changed and he could continue moving the barge up river to its destination quite a task for one man !!!.

Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 18 August, 2018, 02:04:50 PM
Hi Harry, I cannot recall the name Davos, but then my old grey cells have gone into retirement mode.
Several of my family were Lightermen, on the Thames, a well paid & sought after job, if a little dangerous at times.
Another blast from the past is Andy Nelson, to tackle him in playground football was a no,no, he was a big lump who did not take prisoners.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 19 August, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
Hi Ken Davos was a nickname his surname was Davey as you probably know most of us had nicknames!!mine was izzles ( Isles) a few others were Winkle Waite ,Prof Bavins ,Ginger Wynne ,Big Bill Tinton, Tubby Moakes ,   
Reginald Talbot Skinny,  Harry(Monty) Funnel.
Do em Dodds ,Choppem Chapple ,.On the subject of the River Roding where it ran round the back of Butterfields Factory it was a good source of drift wood that I suppose fell off of timber barges down stream both hardwood and softwood.
I got enough softwood to build an ten by six foot shed using a makeshift grappling hook to haul the timber from the River brought  up by the tide. Regards Harry .I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 20 August, 2018, 11:58:54 AM
Hi Harry, obviously listening to Mr Davey playing his violin sent me into a trance, as I cannot recall any of those nicknames.
I wonder what else skipped my attention during those golden years?
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 20 August, 2018, 05:21:30 PM
Hi Harry, were you one of the lucky ones who transferred to Ashburton school for several terms?
Mr Davey's class was housed in the concrete modular building located in the corner of the playground adjacent to Russel Rd & Freemasons Rd, where most of our lessons were taught. Mr Davey was the only teacher that we ever saw, the headmaster never showed his face so it was discipline with a light touch. As we all respected Mr Davey & didnt want to rock the boat, it was good while it lasted.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 21 August, 2018, 10:48:02 AM
Hi Ken I went Ashburton School straight from Rosetta Road school and was ensconced in one of the prefabricated classrooms in the corner by Freemasons road and Russel Road my teacher at that time was Mr Beswetherwick ( spelling could be wrong) stayed there for a couple of terms then there was the big shift to Shipman Road . Prior to moving from Rosetta I spent three months in Switzerland and the headmastewr one Mr Hart decided that I did,nt get any grading marks so on arrival I had for the firs t couple of days gradually working my way through the various grades according to my ability quite embarrising really moving quickly from class to class. Thinking back on it I should have mentioned all this to my fatherwho I am sure would have put a bee in Harts Ear [a good right hander no doupt!!! ].I know mr hart was a very vindictive person and would liked to have  met him when I was a little older and not the fragile little kid that I was at the time. Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 21 August, 2018, 03:48:30 PM
Hi Harry,  I remember Mr Beswethick, a big fella who was handy with the cane. You must have been in the other half of the same prefab classroom.
On moving to Shipman Rd I kept in Mr Davey class until leaving school which suited me because I thought him a good teacher.
I believe that he taught all subjects, other than science, (Mr White) & RK (Mr Keene) oh & PT with Mr Baron.
I do wonder why more of the Shipman Rd pupils have not appeared on the Newham story  forum.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 28 August, 2018, 12:06:50 PM
Hi Ken there we go again Mr Keene,s  nickname was Kipper because he always appeared to be dozing off during his R K lessons along with most of the class.
I later learned that the class that Mr White took science, was taken by Mr Dines who was our woodwork teacher.I take it that you remember the small Bee hive he built in the woodwork room with the glass front so that we could all see the Bees at work .
I believe that Mr dines was an expert on Apiary and wrote various articles on that subject.
Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 28 August, 2018, 05:23:06 PM
Hi Harry,
I can remember dozing off during RK, Mr Keene said nothing to keep us awake.
Mr Dines was my Carpentry teacher, but no bees when I was there.
Mr White, Science teacher sadly went blind just after I left school, I recall that there was a collection for his retirement, a very unusual occurrence, but he was a very popular teacher.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 29 August, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Hi Ken I believe  you must have a blank in your memory bank because we were in the same class at that time and there was definitely a single cone Beehive built in the end of the woodwork room with an inlet built up to an airbrick for the Bees to enter the hive.  Some times Bees would come into the classroom through a window or door and Mr Dines would show us ,kind gentleman that he was, how to pick up a Bee from the back so that you would not get stung and I think that Roy Barnard was the only lad brave enough to try.
In the front of the hive was a small trap door to put the stray Bees back into the Hive.   Mr Peirce was the other woodwork teacher  I don,t think he was as good as Mr Dines !!.Regards Harry . I. { come on where are all the other posters?? do any of the watchers ever post??}
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 30 August, 2018, 12:28:02 PM
Hi Harry, it is a mystery about the bee hive in woodwork class, I have no recollection of this time, I must keep taking the tablets.
I do agree that Mr Dines was the more popular teacher, Mr Pierce taught the girls & wasnt as easy going.
I well remember making a clothes horse & being asked to pay for the wood.
Great days, happy memories of some good  friends.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 30 August, 2018, 12:53:51 PM
Hi Ken perhaps this might help with the old memory the Hive was to the left of the fire place and it had trunking made to go up the wall to an air brick into the boys toilet where the Bees had access to the Hive.
Can you remember at the end of the woodwork class having to stand by the bench and Mr Dines walking down the benches looking at the tool rack checking that every thing was in its place and the tool that was mostly missing and was suddenly found was the marking knife.
The best item I made was an Oak needle work box that had a Beeswax finish which when finished pleased my Nan no end and was put to good use for many years.
The first items we made in class were a Pot stand and a tea pot stand the pot stand was to use half lap joints and the tea pot stand was to use three pieces of timber glued together to make the top.
I had to buy the hinges and lock for the needlework box the Oak surprisingly was free!!.
Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 31 August, 2018, 12:18:52 PM
Hi Harry, it gets worse, I cant recall anything about the bee hive or the tool check at end of class.
However I do have a clear image of Miss Tozer in my mind, why do you think that is?
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 31 August, 2018, 01:35:34 PM
Hi Ken As far as Miss Tozer goes I feel its the old one track mind which never gets out of gear don,t matter how old and crotchety you get once seen never forgotten!!!. Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 31 August, 2018, 05:37:38 PM
Hi Harry, Mr Davey gave his class an autograph book & on the day we left were given time to collect other teachers names, so off we charge down the corridor, do you know where, yes we were all lined up outside of Miss Tozers classroom door.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 01 September, 2018, 01:21:57 PM
Hi Ken Those were the days when your body was changing and your brain was moving southward!!!
Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: harry on 03 September, 2018, 12:49:05 PM
Hi Ken another item to test your memory can you remember Mr White {science teacher}using an ex army cathode ray tube to make a small television albeit with a green screen. I had the task of cutting holes in the chassis using a tri panning tool I think this project was started by our last term before leaving school and finished by the next year in 1951.
I think that I have exhausted all my memories of Shipman Road School in what has become an ongoing chat between you and I as there seems to be a lacking of other souls who were at Shipman Road to add to these stories .
I think that I will now call it a day Re postings and will become a watcher instead of a poster and will keep an eye on the site anyway  .Regards  Harry.i
Title: Re: Shipman Rd School
Post by: KenM on 04 September, 2018, 11:22:03 AM
Hi Harry, every week I used to look forward to science class, as Mr White made them so interesting with the various experiments & projects.
As you say, no other pupils have wished to join our chat line, I do find that strange.
MickG posts some interesting items, but few seem to follow up, or add to his posts.
I will dip in & out now & again, you never know some ex Shipman road pupils may come out of their slumbers.
Bye for now Harry.