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Title: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 10 November, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
Does anyone remember the name of the draper's shop on the corner of High Street North and the Barking Road. It was opposite the Denmark Pub and sold sheets. towels etc.

The one thing that sticks in my mind was the method of payment in this shop. They didn't have cash registers. When you bought your purchase the written receipt and your money was put in large tube. This tube then travelled along the ceiling to the cash office (this is so hard to explain!). Your change and the receipt was returned in the same way.

Do any other East Hammers remember this shop? And were there other shops in Newham using the same method?

Can you imagine standing in Sainsbury's or other large stores today and waiting for your change in this manner!

Linda

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 10 November, 2011, 05:09:34 PM
Linda
The shop on the corner of High Street North and Barking Road was Hawkins but being male I never went in there. The idea of sending money to the Cash Office through a Vacuum Tube was also used at the Co-operative Department Store on the corner of the High Street and St. John's Road. It was a common feature in many larger stores in the 1950. I'm sure that the Co-op and Boardmans in Stratford used a similar system but am surprised to learn that Hawkins which was not a large shop alos used this method to deal with sales.

Dougt
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 10 November, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
Thank you Dougt for your reply and for jogging my memory on the name Hawkins.

I wonder if it was the Co-op where I saw the tubes and my memory is playing tricks!

I have just been looking at earlier postings and on page 12 this method of payment is discussed and as you rightly said Boardmans of Stratford did use this method.

linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 10 November, 2011, 07:12:44 PM

 Linda,
        I remember both shops well..
 If i had to put money on the answer i would agree it was probably the POSH Co-op
 as all Co-ops seemed to have that money exchange in those days.

 I worked on the opposite corner to which you referred in BOYD PIANOS (any one
 remember them?) iIn 1947 when i was there as Sales Assistant, to a Mr.Clarenbone
 manager we had qeues from 9.0am when i opened (Mr.Clarenbone often very late as
 he travelled in from Sidcup and had dreadful transport troubles) for a Piano as Bill or
 Fred was being discharged from the forces and a family party was the order of the
 day and they had to have a piano to replace the one in the front room that
 had been destroyed in those terrible days of bombing etc.
 
 Mr.C went out every day and bought up as many damaged ones he could find they
 all came back to the the shop and we had three wonderful men that repaired,
 polished, re-tuned and believe me they were great., and i sold them within hours.
 
 We were also Agents for Keith Prowse London Booking Agents for all shows ETC.
 and there were many in those days.  A very busy shop!

 

 lINDA THANKS FOR THE MEMORY OF OVERHEAD COMPUTERS.

  lLouise





   
 


 




Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: GeoffM on 10 November, 2011, 10:23:29 PM
Linda

Staddons which used to be at the Abbey Arms also used the overhead cash system here is a link to a site which actually shows you what they looked like another little jog for the memory.


.http://www.ids.u-net.com/cash/index.htm


Regards
GeoffM
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 11 November, 2011, 04:09:33 PM
Thank you Louise for your reply. I just spoke to my mum who is 86 and she said that she does remembers that method of payment in Hawkins Drapers. (She had also forgotten the name of the shop so said to thank Dougt). So it looks as if it must have been a prosperous shop!

With regard to Boyd's piano shop that was where my nan bought their piano (not sure what year). My dad and his brother and sister used to have lessons but I remember dad telling me he used to miss the lesson and go and play football! Somehow he learnt to play and when he played "The little girl that Santa Claus forgot" it used to make me cry!

Thank you also Geoff for your reply and the link which I found very interesting.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 11 November, 2011, 05:02:56 PM
 
 ;) Linda and Mum,
     Just seen GeoffM photographs, they were great and exactly like you said used
     in Hawkins.  Good old Mum! bet she had a tablecloth or two from them.
     Being as i was 17 it was not a shop i had ever been in, but the Co-op
     to us was a very up-market store (prices far above our East Ham High St.prices.



     Used to lodge with a dear lady in Ruskin Avenue and she had a 16yr old
     Daughter Joan who worked for CWS in make-up dept. (Much to her dads
     distaste of the make up).
     In about 1945/6 she was invited to a Co-op Christmas "do" as were all staff,       
     and they were allowed one guest and that was lucky me!
     Never been able to remember exactly where but it was huge and packed with
     staff of CWS from all over the country.
     What a great party and i have never forgotten the fun and food we had.

      Hope Boyd Piano gave good service

     

      Regards Louise.



.
     

   
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 11 November, 2011, 08:52:32 PM
Hi Louise

I remember the Co-op in the 60's. I had started work in the Welfare Dept. High St. South (used to be the old Fire Station) and on pay day used to visit the make up counter. Remember buying Max Factor Pan Stick and mascara in a little box. The ladies on the counter were always very helpful.

Another memory I have of the Co-op as a child is the visit to Santa's Grotto with my nan. There was always a ride first (or at least the scenery moved while we sat in a fairy coach) then a chat with Santa who gave you a present.

By the way the piano was still in good condition when nan died in 1981 but as none of the family had the room for it we had to sell it.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 12 November, 2011, 10:49:54 AM
Linda, you're correct on both counts regarding Santa's Grotto: the top floor of the Co-op was where furniture was displayed and sold; at Christmas time, the furniture was cleared and there would be a pony and trap - Santa's sleigh.  This would pick up the children, and their mums and dads, at one part of the floor, do a couple of circuits then stop at a different part - this was Santa's Grotto, where you would be taken to meet Father Christmas himself - magic!  Later, the pony and trap disappeared and was replaced by a sleigh that was stationary with a motor that moved the scenery to give the impression of movement - you went in one side and came out on the opposite side to meet Father Christmas.  Never the same again! :(  Also, as I got older  Father Christmas seemed to alter - one year he even had glasses!  :o  Know what - I think that he wasn't the REAL Santa, but some guy dressed up in a Father Christmas outfit pretending to be him! ;)

The East Ham Co-op was a superb building with its own clock-tower and was a place where you could buy just about anything: furniture, bedding, curtains, clothes, jewellery, perfumes and make-up, records, music, stationery and supplies for school, shoes, electrical products, toys and, at one time, groceries.  (Groceries were on the ground floor where the escalators were later.)  There was a roof-top garden that had, I believe, a cafe. Sadly, I the roof-top garden was not used when I was a boy, but I did get to see it:  Harry, the old lift man, took my mum and me up there one day as I would ask him where the 'extra' floor shown on his lift panel was! Sadly, we could not stay long as Harry and the lift would have been missed and he would probably have got a rollicking for taking us up there!  Happy days indeed!

My views on the actions of the philistines who saw fit to destroy the East Ham Co-op are not suitable to be be reproduced on these pages .... >:(

All the best to everyone.

David in Suffolk
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 12 November, 2011, 11:38:16 AM
Louise, I remember Boyds - 'Boyds of Bond Street' as I recall?  When I was 21, I bought my first hi-fi from them; it was a Ferguson record player with a Garrard SP45 deck and two separate speakers.  I could not afford it in one go, so I bought it on h.p.  I remember my heart pounding as I signed that agreement - what would happen if I lost my job etc, but sign it I did.  I had a little yellow cloth-linen covered book and, each Saturday, I would go over to Boyds and make a payment where a very pleasant middle-aged lady would enter the details into my book, also the shop's ledger.

I loved that stereo and got many hours of enjoyment from it - not sure my dad would have agreed though!

Regards.

David in Suffolk.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ed styles on 12 November, 2011, 01:30:50 PM
Boyds of Bond St,
                           When I was first married we had a Flat above the Barking branch of Boyds in East st opposite Blakes Market,and had an unusual arrangement to pay our rent. we had to pay it downstairs to the Manager . Later we had a visit from a " heavy " asking about our rent arrears,apparently he forgot to whrite it up and it found it,s way into his pocket. Hmm.
Oh they did have lovely pianos though.
   All the best Ed
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 12 November, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
Hello Leydaf,
great to hear from you re Boyd`s.
Sounds a lot different to when i worked there as we then only sold
Pianos and was an agent of Keith Prowse for all West End shows (and there were many in those days) "Me and myGal", Ivor Novello's Perchance to Dream, Flanagan & Alan, to name a few.

When you signed your agreement for the beloved Record Player
did Boyd's still sell Pianos?

A Record Player, a little yellow payment book and a lovely lady to
serve you it must have seemed heaven. (We did appreciate things
more in those days I am sure. Do you agree?         Regards Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Will.B on 12 November, 2011, 04:02:55 PM
The East Ham High St has very many pleasant memories for me, in the 1950s I got my first made to measure suit from a little tailors a couple of doors from East Ham Station and I also I bought my wives engagement and wedding ring from two jewellers in the High Street which was the best few bob I have ever spent.

L.Feitelson Ltd
139/141 High Street,East Ham,E.6
Telephone.GRAngewood 0405

D.Russell (London) Ltd
194 High Street,East Ham E.6
Telephone. GRAangewood 2746

Also I remember the little cafe next door to the Co-op in Barking Road where we sometimes went for a meal,without a doubt the co-op was a grand building,but many years later someone told me that when Newham took it over it cost a small fortune to remove the asbestos from it. whether that's true or not I guess only Newham know.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 12 November, 2011, 04:57:35 PM
Louise, you've got me thinking now.  I seem to recall that there were pianos in the shop, although most of the goods on sale were radiograms, televisions, tape recorders etc and, of course, record players.  The reason I think there were pianos was because while I was in the shop one day, a chap came in and tried one out;  I remarked to one of the staff that the chap was quite a good player and her response was that they had had another chap in previously who had mesmerised them with his virtuosity!  (Just hoping that this isn't a 'false memory!')

I think that it was quite difficult to sell pianos in the 60s and 70s - many were smashed up by people who did not want them and couldn't find anyone to take them off their hands.  I even recall 'Piano Smashing Contests.'

Regarding the Co-op, there was also a Co-op chemists, a Co-op butchers, a Co-op greengrocers, a Co-op funeral service and, wouldn't be entertained these days, a Co-op tobacconists.  I've been wracking my brains, but I don't recall a Co-op bakers; maybe someone else will be able to throw light upon this?

Best regards.
David
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DH on 12 November, 2011, 05:11:12 PM
Re the Co-op at East Ham, I remember they had their own hairdressing department, I think on the second floor?  It must have been around mid 1950s, I used to have to go there with my Mum when she had her hair permed, very boring for a young child!  The hair dressing department was very posh with individual cubicles, each cubicle allocated their own hairdresser, sink, hair dryer, with curtains that could be pulled across to give privacy.  Also, the overhead cash system was used at Young & Martens at Stratford, the chugging backwards and forwards fascinating.  Dee
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Joseph Hunt on 12 November, 2011, 11:29:46 PM
In the Barking Rd opposite Katherine Rd there was a large hoarding that was advertising an engaement ring for Feiltelsons. The ring was half in and half out of advert. My fiance and I liked it so much that we travelled on to Feiltelsons and bought the same type ring.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 13 November, 2011, 01:29:54 PM
Going back to Leydaf's posting regarding various other Co-op outlets such as Greengrocers, Butchers and Funeral Directors I cannot  remember the large "Departmental" Co-op store in East Ham selling grocery in the 1950s as it tended to be a Traditional Department Store selling Ladies and Gents Clothing Furniture, Household and Electrical Goods, Perfumes and Haberdahery. I do recall the Hairdressing Salon and also the Restaurant and of course the annual visit to Santa's Grotto usually on the first day of the Christmas School Holiday. These days it seems children can visit Santa during the Autumn Half Term break. I have a faint recollection, and naturally stand to be corrected, that in latter years(1960s)  the Co-op may have sold some grocery from the main store by using the section of the store nearest to The Denmark as a Grocers. In store bakeries were probably not thought of in those days so I would imagine that the Co-op would have only sold other brands of bread made by Rank Hovis McDougall.
Whilst on the subject of the Co-op Can any one still remember their Divi Number. I thinks ours was 250194.

Dougt
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 13 November, 2011, 05:05:39 PM
Doug, if you can recall where the escalators were, that is where the grocery department was, prior to when they were installed in about 1961.  As you suggested, this would have been adjacent to the Denmark.  If my memory serves me correctly, it was a fairly narrow saloon stretching a long way back into the store; the floor was, I think, black and white tiles/marble and the counters made of wood.  There was no self-service then and I remember, as a young lad in the early 1950s,  being bored out of my skull while my mum and I would wait in the inevitable queue, then finally get served by a white apron-ed assistant who would disappear into a store room  to fetch each item which she wanted, then write down the price on a pad.  Then would be totalling up and the question "What's your share number?"  I'm a saddo and remember ours: 765179. ::)

Regarding a bakery, I'm sure you're correct that in-store bakeries weren't around in those days; however, I was thinking more along the lines of an outside shop such as the others which I mentioned.  If there was one, I can't place it - any ideas, anyone?

Happy days!

Best regards.

David. :)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 13 November, 2011, 05:54:36 PM
 
 Re memories from Leydaf and yourself.
 In the mid to late 40,s the Coperative Society had adjoining the
 Denmark Arms a long fairly narrow area for selling Butter,Cheese,Eggs,
 Bacon and such like a bit like to-daysDelicatessen.
 They may have even sold some form of meats like Rabbit?
 
 Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 14 November, 2011, 09:17:13 AM
If I remember rightly my Mum used to go to Hawkins to buy the material for my school summer dresses. I went to East Ham Girls Grammar and they were the local suppliers for the check materials! :)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 14 November, 2011, 09:51:45 PM
It has been very interesting hearing all the memories of East Ham High St. Further to Dougt and Leydaf mentioning groceries in the Co-op mum remembers it well on the ground floor. She also recalls the restaurant where the waitresses wore uniforms and there were white tablecloths on each table.

The other shops she remembers are Sainsbury's and Israels (the greengrocers) in the Barking Road opposite the Town Hall and Caters in the High Street where you could buy broken biscuits. There was also a ladieswear shop just past the Gaumont which was still there in 1981 but she can't remember the name. I said I was sure someone on the forum would remember.

Incidentally mum is an ex District Nurse who worked in East Ham from 1955 until she retired in 1985. Some of you may have seen her on the District, in the beginning on her bike and then in the 1960's in her dark blue Morris Minor (Just like Nurse Gladys Emmanuel) in Open All Hours.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 14 November, 2011, 10:33:12 PM
Linda, Sainsbury's in the Barking Road was an immaculately clean store, with marble floor and the Sainsbury name in the wall tiles at the end of the shop; all the produce was behind glass counters and their goods were top quality.  Israel's was a shop which, when closed, was fully protected by roller shutters and when opened the staff would set up stalls which extended onto the pavement and were covered with a canvas roof and sides.  My mum would send me to Caters and I always used to dislike going there - they had separate queues for different items of food and I would always manage to get into the wrong queue only to be told, when I got to the head of it, "That's the counter you want, over there, sonny."  I can't recall the ladies outfitters past the Gaumont - my mum would have known, but she's not around any more.:( I'll ask my sister, she may know.  Btw, the Gaumont was knocked down some time ago - don't know whether you knew this?  I used to go to the Gaumont, or the Premier as we used to call it, for Saturday morning pictures.  I remember everyone getting a bit fidgety as the session progressed with quite a bit of talking among the children and eventually there would be a great shout of "SHUT UP!" from, presumably, one of the attendants.  When we came out, it was always through the rear doors, across the car park and into Holme Road;  I remember there being a wall which us boys would climb over rather than walk through the opening (Boys  ::)) and there would be an old guy shouting at us to get down!  Great days.


Best regards, David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 14 November, 2011, 10:38:34 PM
Linda, I meant to ask, does your mum remember the roof garden and cafe at the Co-op or was the restaurant she is referring to, inside the store?

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 14 November, 2011, 10:42:24 PM
There is a commercial picture postcard site that has a number of pictures of East Ham High Street, link below. I cannot copy the pictures here for copyright reasons but these old pictures might jog a few people memories.

http://www.history-in-pictures.co.uk/store/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=94
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 14 November, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
Mick, brilliant! Many thanks.

David in Suffolk.  :)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 15 November, 2011, 09:18:48 AM
Mick, Thanks for the link to the photos of High Street North. Although most if not all were taken before our time they are sure to stir up some memories.

Linda and David. Again thanks for mentioning Caters. I recall that it was a double shop with Groceries to the right as you entered., a Cheese and Dairy products at the far end of the shop, Cooked Meats etc to the left and the Biscuit Counter was in the middle of the shop. My mother worked at Caters for a number of years so if she was the person who always told you that you were in the wrong queue then accept my apologies!

I think shops in those days had their regular customers that staff got to know and my mother always mentioned one lady who would come into the shop just as it was closing for the day at 5.30pm to buy a small tin of peas. It used to drive my mother mad particularly as most counters had "cashed up" for the day and invariably the lady wanted change.

My mother also used to tell of an incident that occurred late in the afternoon one Christmas Eve. The store were obviously anxious to sell their supply of Frozen Turkeys and Chickens before they shut for Christmas and obviously on the afternoon of Christmas Eve they were very busy as many customers used to wait until then before purchasing because Freezers and Refrigerators in the home were not so common. My mother was responsible for ensuring that the Window Display was kept "topped up" and brought some frozen chickens from the Cold Store. She placed them in the window but unfortunately she must have pushed them to hard against the glass in the window which promptly shattered. The manager was not pleased at having to remain at the shop late on Christmas Eve to wait for the glazier to carry out repairs.

I cannot remember the Ladieswear shop that Linda mentions just past the Gaumont. From memory the shops immediately past the Gaumont were a Dry Cleaners (Eastmans?) Opticians (Hammonds?) Stylo Shoeshop and a Fish and Chip Shop. There was then a large furniture store (Davants later Hardy & Co) and then a number of ladies clothes shops which I never had reason to go into.

Another shop that I remember from the 1950s was Jeromes, a photography studio, where my mother used to take me every year to have a photograph taken. I used to hate it!.

I'm sure there are many other memories of other shops in the High Street.

Dougt



Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 15 November, 2011, 02:29:15 PM
David
Thank you for your vivid descriptions of Sainbury's, Israel's and Cater's which brought back many memories.

I wasn't aware that the Gaumont or Premier as you reminded me had been knocked down. On my last visit to East Ham it was to visit St Mary Magdalene's Church and Cyprus Place in my quest to complete some gaps in my family research. I remember Saturday morning pictures but we used to go to the Granada in Barking Road. I also remember the twist competitions that they held there on the stage in the 60's.

The ladies shop near the Gaumont seems to have everyone guessing. A friend of mine remembers buying clothes in there but can't remember the name.

By the way mum doesn't remember the rooftop garden and cafe in the Co-op and said that the restaurant was inside the store.

Mick

Thank you for the link to the photo's of the High Street. So interesting.

Dougt

Thank you for your memories. Your mum must have been so upset at breaking the window. What a wonderful story.

I have several photos's that were taken at Jeromes. They always had the name stamped on the back of the photo. I expect it must have been quite costly to have photographs done in a studio.

Thanks to you all
Linda

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 15 November, 2011, 03:06:54 PM
Doug, no apologies on your mum's behalf necessary - it was probably my own fault - maybe I would have looked at the smallest queue and joined it, hoping to 'pull a flanker!' :))  Breaking the window on Christmas eve: priceless!  Do you remember The Milk Bar along that stretch past the Gaumont?  The fish and chip shop was The Ocean.  Still no handle for Linda's ladies shop. :(

Linda, there was a kind of 'demarcation' that existed, over whether you went to the Premier (Gaumont) or the Granada for Saturday morning pictures, i.e. you were either  Premier or  'Granadier.'
I did go there once with two brothers who had recently moved into the road next to mine, and it seemed really alien.  I remember them having a break and an MC came on to the stage and got everyone singing their song: "We're one for all and all for one, we're East Ham Granadiers ..." to the tune of The British Grenadier.  Then there was a talent contest where various hopefuls  strutted their stuff.  One little lad was having a go at "I'm a little teapot, short and stout...." , when someone shouted out "Chuck him off!"   The MC stormed on demanding to know who had shouted out - you could have heard a pin drop. (I can't see that happening these days!)  Finally, the culprit was identified and the MC invited him on to the stage "to show everyone how much better he could do!"  Naturally the 'shouter' declined and the MC denounced him as a coward.  I don't recall whether or not the little lad finished his 'teapot' song!  Here's a picture of the old Gaumont site - it was taken quite a while ago, so I expect there is something built in its place now.

Best regards to all.

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 15 November, 2011, 03:14:24 PM
Linda, here's a pic of St Mary Magdalene church aka East Ham church.  My grandmother is buried there, although I could not find the grave when I visited the churchyard, several years ago. I seem to recall my mum saying that when she died, the family could not afford a stone, so it was probably afruitless search from the start.  I spread my mum's ashes there when she died in 1996.

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 15 November, 2011, 03:48:58 PM
David
Thank you for the pictures. I can imagine the scene in the Granada! My family graves are all hidden now. When my nan was alive she received a letter telling her the churchyard was being turned into a nature reserve. It is now really overgrown with brambles but we managed to find several of the graves a few years ago.

I have just been looking on the A-Z of the Newham Story and under High St North found a 1965's photo and you can see Cater's on the awning. (Thought Doug would like that one). Also again under High St Nth 18-20 a photo showing Nelsons. Do you remember it? It was a stationers and also sold tobacco and lighters etc. It was opposite the Co-op. Another picture I found was W.Hill & Sons 347 Barking Road East Ham which was a wet fish shop taken in 1983.

At this rate we'll soon have a shoppers guide to East Ham High Street from years ago!

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 15 November, 2011, 07:18:59 PM
David

Thanks for reminding me of "The Ocean" Fish and Chip Shop. A group of us used to buy Fish and Chips from there on a Friday Evening on our way home from The Salvation Army Youth Club in Wakefield Street. Generally walked along the High Street towards the station eating it and then go into the Wimpy Bar for a Hamburger and Coffee. Occasionally I went into the Milk Bar a few doors along from "The Ocean" - I think it may have been called The Black and White Milk Bar.

I also remember Burtons on the corner of Caledon Road where I proudly bought my first "Made to Measure" suit around 1962.

Linda

Thanks for your comment regarding the photo of High Street North with the Caters shop blind in view. It appears that the photograph was taken from the 2ND or 3rd floor of the Co-op store  I do remember the stationers, Nelsons, opposite the Co-op although I did not buy much from them. As you say they were primarily a Stationers that also sold Tobacco and Lighters but I am not sure whether they also sold sweets and chocolate which may well me the reason that I did not go into the shop too much.

Dougt
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 15 November, 2011, 07:55:27 PM
Linda, yes I remember Nelsons; they also sold  good quality fountain pens: Platignum, Osmiroid, Parker, Eversleigh come to mind.  In the 50s and early 60s, all my family were smokers which was probably the case with most other families in those days.  (I was the only one in my family who didn't smoke.) When it was Christmas time, I would often buy my dad and my uncle a tin of Tom Thumb cigars and cigarettes for my mum - never any problem getting served at Nelsons, nor indeed was there a problem at the Co-op tobacconists a few doors away.

A "shoppers guide to East Ham" - there's an idea.  I'll have a bash at the Barking Road, starting opposite the old Central Hall by the zebra crossing:  David's confectioners/tobacconists, E. Atkinson the motorcycle dealers, cross Keppel Road where there was a dry cleaners on the corner, then came Surdaw the newsagent/confectioner/tobacconist (formerly T & R McVicar), Fox the chemist run by a very tall chinless, bespectacled but pleasant chap - Mr Fox, Toni's Restaurant with the flower baskets and wrought ironwork outside, run by Italians - Gionotti? Gilberts hairdressers run by a pompous Mr Gilbert (who employed some very attractive stylists!), Halfords the bicycle shop, Pollards haberdashers, Israel's fruit and veg, Sainsbury's (later to be Rossi's ice cream parlour and cafe), a nice bakers - ABC? one or two which I can't place then, on the corner, Hawkins with the overhead cash transporting system,(which was the start of this thread).

Doug, just seen your post - no sweets at Nelsons. Yes, Burtons I remember that shop but I don't recall buying anything there.  What about Foster Bros on the next corner - Caulfield Road?  I used to get my school uniform there, generally towards the end of the summer holidays, so it was always with a very heavy heart!  I used to go into the Wimpy bar in 1969/70 - a wimpy and coffee at the end of an evening was 'to die for!'


Where did you live in East Ham, Linda?  What about you, Doug?  I lived in Thorpe Road.

Best regards to all.
David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 15 November, 2011, 08:44:08 PM
David
Your memory is quite amazing! If I'm not mistaken there was also a jewellers opposite the Central Hall called Colins. That was where my sister and I had our ears pierced. Mum has come up with another one-she can't recall the actual name but it was known as the Offal Shop and was in the Barking Road past the Co-op. She said they sold lovely faggotts and pease pudding!

I lived in Becket Avenue which was off Charlemont Road and before that in Mountfield Road.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ed styles on 15 November, 2011, 10:04:31 PM
I,m sure of a response, what was the electrical & television shop half way up to the Station on the right hand side of High st Nth, I worked there in about 1958 on a Saturday as a assistant shop & van boy at Christmas time .
The Gaumont on the opposite side is where I saw Bill Haley in Rock around the Clock , this was the time when the " teddy boys " were ripping up the seats in some cinemas , not sure what year it was ? .
Many years later like a post ing before, I also bought our Wedding Rings from a Jewellers on the side as the T.V. shop  ,but again can,t remember it,s name .
 all the best ed.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 15 November, 2011, 10:45:18 PM
David and Linda

With regard to your latest post Linda I believe that Collins may still be trading from their shop in Barking Road

I think you have set quite  challenge! I lived in Strone Road and in November last year started a thread regarding shops at the Manor Park end of High Street North. It was quite easy to remember many of the shops as I passed them twice a day for many years whilst walking to the station from my home in Strone Road.

The East Ham end of the High Street is more difficult in that I am unsure whether shops were trading in the 1950s, 60s or 70s  but here goes:

Next to East Ham Station a tobacconists with a barbers in the rear called Lewis, then Petcheys Minicabs, then the East Ham Palace which was demolished in the 1950s and the C & A Fashion Store was built on the site.

< Burges Road >

On the southern corner of Burges Road  was Larkins, a sweet shop, that sold Ice Cream from a side window. This shop was replaced by Crays Fashions. In the same block were a TV Rental Shop (Radio Rentals?) Ann (Corsetiere) and Boots the Chemist on the corner of Lathom Road.
<Lathom Road>

On the southern corner of Lathom Road was a Greengrocers (the name escapes me at the moment! possibly Heards). I think there was also a jewellers a couple of shops down (Russells?) and Rumbelows was situated on the corner of Clements Road.

<Clements Road>

Between Clements and Caulfield Road were Dunn & Co (Mens Outfitters). This shop may have become Granditers at a later date and the Midland Bank was situated on the corner of Caulfield Road. There may also have been a small supermarket in this block "Memorys"

<Caulfield Road>

As mentioned in a previous post  Foster Brothers were on the southern corner of Caulfield road and I believe John Collier may have been situated a few doors along possibly next door to Burtons which was on the corner of Caledon Road.

<Caledon Road>

In the 1950s there was a furnishing store on the southern corner of Caledon Road called Easterns When this closed a Green Shield Stap Redemption shop opened and this subsequently became Argos. There was another TV Rental shop in this section and another Corsetiere.

<Skeffington Road>

The southern corner of Skeffington Road was occupied by Woolworths and next door to them was "Weaver to Wearer" (Mens Fashions)  In the 1950s/early 60s the next building was a Car Dealership "Reynolds" and subsequently that building was taken over by Safeway.
Next door was a small sweet/tobacco kiosk and the shop on the corner of Kempton Road was, I believe, a Piano Shop but I cannot remmember the name.

<Kempton Road>

The Cock Hotel was situated on the southern corner of Kempton Road and next door was a Burchers (Thompsons?). This block also contained Phillips the Jewellers and possibly a chemist. The shop on the corner of Thorpe Road was a Wine Merchant.

<Thorpe Road>

The unit on the corner of Thorpe Road was originally a Supermarket (possibly Tesco) and the same block also included the Westminster Bank, Swetman & Crocker (shoes) and Nelsons (Stationers)

<Lloyd Road>

Lloyds Bank was on the corner of Lloyd Road and I believe there may have been a carpet shop in the same block before we come to Hawkins which started this thread!

Going back along the other side of the High Street, The Denmark and Co-op Store filled the first block to the junction with St. Johns Road.

<St. Johns Road>

On the Northern Corner of St. John's Road was a shoe shop (Ravels) and the block to Myrtle Road icluded another Tobacconists witha Barbers at the rear (Lewis) Caters (Grocers) and Fish Brothers (Jewellers and Pawnbrokers)

<Myrtle Road>

I think the shop on the northern corner of Myrtle Road was a small decorating shop and I believe Dewhurst the Butcher was in the same block along with Freeman Hardy Willis. On the corner of the block before Wakefield Street was the Main Post Office.

<Wakefield Street>

The northern corner of Wakefield Street was occupied by British Home Stores then there was the Gaumonth Cinema complete with Newspaper seller, Johnny Bolton, outside. The next few shops included Eastmans, Dry Cleaners, Hammonds Opticians, Stylo Footwear and The Ocean Fish Bar. There was then a large furniture store Davants later Hardys and then a number of other shops that I cannot recall with any certainty although I believe Cookes Pie and Mash and The Black and White Milk Bar were in this group. A bit further along was jeromes although I believe they may have ceased trading before 1960. Also in this block was W H Smith, Dolcis, and a wet fish shop (Hacksalls?). The Black Lion Pub occupied the corner of Harrow Road.

<Harrow Road>

I recall  that in the 1950s the shop on the noerthern corner of Harrow Road may have been a small greengrocers that also sold eggs and dairy products but I think this was replaced by another TV Rental Shop (Granada). Next door was the Jewellers (Feitelsons) and then Marks and Spencer. There may have been a Wallaper shop next door (Art Wallpaper) but I am not sure of this. The unit on the corner of Bendish Road was occupied by Mark Liell Surveyors.

<Bendish Road>

On the northern corner of Bendish Road was a bakers, Bartons, and next door a butcher, Tuckers?. Bata Shoes had a unit in the same block and there was also another shop that sold amongst other things rubber moluds of Disney characters from which children could make and paint models of their favourite characters. Further along in this block were The Wimpy Bar and Regal Dry Cleaners on the corner of Heigham Road.

<Heigham Road>

I believe at one time the unit on the corner of Heigham Road was the ABC Bakery and Restaurant and a little further along was a large furniture store, Williams Galleries, I think the next shop traded as "Park Shoes" and next door to them were Dixons Photographic.

Please advise and correct any errors!

Dougt
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 15 November, 2011, 10:56:42 PM
Ed

Having read your post after my last psoting it is possible that the two shops you are trying to remember were not included in my posting. I believe there was a Jewellers called "Empire Bullion" opposite the Black Lion in the High Street and, as the time you worked as as a Saturday assistant, probably predates the appearance of Rumbelows There may have been an Electrical/TV shop in that part of the High Street called Ideal Radio. I think they were a local set up and had other shops in the Manor Park end of High Street North and also in Romford Road.

DougT
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: keith SPRINGFORD on 16 November, 2011, 11:06:52 AM
Another disappeance from high streets is the made to measure tailors shops....I can remember S.Daren and Lew Rose opp. the town Hall in Barking road ...both very expensive .My father would  get a new suit made every 2 years in Lew Roses...Goldbergs just over the  station hill towards Manor Park and the cheapos..John Colliers and Burtons. I remember the catalogues at Burtons where you could  browse through ,look at the designs and pick out your style. You could also use your own ideas. got my first suit there..a double breasted blue serge bum-freezer with narrow trousers with snall slits cut out....Cost 9 pounds, with an extra fitting 11 pounds and it took 5 weeks !
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 16 November, 2011, 01:45:17 PM
Dougt
Thank you for that amazing memory walk along the High St. I do remember Cookes the pie and mash shop being in the block you mentioned-used to go in there with nan late 50's early 60's always so clean and the table tops were made of marble. Nan used to also frequent Mudies pie and mash shop in Wakefield Street.
You mentioned Heigham Road. In 1964-1967 I worked in the card shop before you got to Williams the furniture store. I cannot remember the name but it was next door to a greengrocers. Both shops were very narrow(probably two shops in one).
By the way interesting to hear that Collins could be still trading after all these years.



Keith
Yes there were lots of tailors in the High Street. Dad used always to have his made to measure and very smart he looked! He also used to go to Jack Bunney's in Barking.

Ed
I'm sure Doug has been able to answer your queries from the great description he has just given of all the shops.

 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: nellanhoj on 16 November, 2011, 05:12:55 PM
Ah, Jack Bunney.

I had my first made-to-measure by jack when he worked for Frank's Of barking in 1953!

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 16 November, 2011, 05:31:08 PM
Doug, superb recall!  One or two comments on your 'memory walk:'

Burges to Lathom:  Larkins ice cream from the side window - I remember that - my nan and granddad lived in Sibley Grove (just over the bridge, Barclays Bank on the corner) and we would walk past Larkins on the way back to home in Thorpe Road and, if my dad was feeling generous we'd have cornets.  Delicious ice cream!  My wife bought her wedding dress at Crays - it cost the grand sum of £20.

Clements to Caulfield: I seem to remember Memorys being referred to as "Wal Memory's?"

Clements to Caulfield: This stretch also included "Ed's" Ideal Radio store - I recall they would have a blackboard outside where the top 20 hits would be chalked up.

Caledon to Skeffington:  My mum worked at the Green Shield Stamp shop.

Skeffington to Kempton:   I seem to recall that the Weaver to Wearer shop was later a ladies fashion shop; Reynolds was a Ford dealership - I can still smell that distinctive  'new car smell' emanating from the Zodiacs, Zephyrs, Consuls, Anglias etc; the sweet/tobacco kiosk was run by a chap called Lionel - a Jewish chap who was the son of the owners of Ullmans confectioners/tobacconists opposite - when it closed , he moved across to the kiosk; Reynolds later took over the corner site.

Kempton to Thorpe:  I believe R.P.Ellen the shoe shop was next to the butchers, after which came Davant the furniture shop rather than it being on the other side?  Next was Fish's the shop with the outside awning that sold eggs, cheese etc; the chemist was the Co-op chemist; the wine shop was G.S. Smith & Sons.

Thorpe to Lloyd:  after Nelson's came the Co-op butchers and on the corner was the Co-op tobacconists.

St Johns to Myrtle:  This stretch also included a large fashion store with two entrances and a large island window display at the front;  after Lewis came Dewhurst the butchers, then Downs which sold delicious meat pies with flaky pastry; between these was Bartons the Bakers and also along this section was another bakers - Hemmings?  On the corner next to Fish the jeweller/pawnbroker was a carpet shop which continued down Myrtle Road; next  (now in Myrtle Road itself) was a shop which sold all kinds of cleaning equipment, polishes, buckets etc; then there was Jacks grocery store - all stone floors with the goods in aisles - Jack was a huge Jewish guy with glasses and a moustache, always wearing a white housecoat; the fruit and veg store was adjacent to the gates of the East Ham Shopping Hall aka 'The Market.'  opposite was the East Ham Congregational Church - I used to go to Cubs there - the 24th East Ham; then there was Fosters the confectioners, then Fosters stationers; then there was the wet fish shop with a chap whom I could never understand;

Myrtle to Wakefield - no Dewhurst - this was in the previous section; there was Lyons which sold all kinds of bedding and haberdashery - my mum worked there too; a bit further along was Ullmans, which I mentioned previously in this post.

Wakefield to Heigham: not much to add here, other than Art Wallpapers was on the opposite side of the road.

Well, fellow posters we've given you something to build upon - any more?

Best regards to all.

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 16 November, 2011, 10:38:03 PM
David

Thanks for pointing out the corrections and additions to my original post. I remember Morgans in Myrtle Road as they used to packets of Postage Stamps from around the world and, as kids, we were encouraged to start stamp collections as the teacher thought it would improve our knowledge of Geography and to a lesser extent History.

Just one point that I wish to query is the furniture store on the east side of the High Street near The Cock Hotel. I can never remember Davants being on that side of the road and earlier today though it may have been Times Furnishing but then remembered their showroom was in Barking Road opposite the Town Hall and next to Hawkins.

Speaking to a friend this evening who spent his younger days living in Kempton Road  he felt that the shop had "Wood" in its name and the only Furnishing Store I can think of would be "Cavendish Woodhouse".

Is anyone else able to verify this?

DougT
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 16 November, 2011, 10:47:59 PM
I worked as a 'Saturday' girl in the dress shop next to or very near the Gaumont ... the name 'Sylvia's' rings a bell although I could be mistaken. I also worked in 'George's' ladieswear on the hill by East Ham station and I bought my wedding ring in Bravingtons jewellers just up from the Gaumont.

Does anyone remember a large furniture store near Bravingtons? I remember Max Bygraves coming to open it and the crowds stopped the traffic. I can still see him larking about with a vacuum cleaner ... dancing as he pretended to clean the carpet! Everyone was cheering!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 16 November, 2011, 11:06:56 PM
Reenay

In my earlier posting I thought the furniture shop near the Gaumont was Davants which later became Hardys. Leydaf thinks that Davants may have been on the other side of the road but I think we agree that at one time the store traded as Hardys.

My mother also worked at Georges in the 1950s but I suspect that you were still at school at that time! Thanks also for suggesting the name Sylvias as a possibility for the dress shop. I cannot remember it but hopefully Linda or her mother will be able to.

DougT
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 17 November, 2011, 01:10:38 PM
The Jewellers, Russell & Co, mentioned in Will B's post was located immediately next to East Ham Tube Station on the Sibley Grove side therefore I placed them in the wrong location when compiling the location of shops in my posting a couple of days ago. The Jeweller that I though was located between Lathom and Clements Roads was "Empire Bullion" which was located opposite The Black Lion between Clements and Caulfield Roads. Apologies for misleading you all.

DougT
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 17 November, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
Hi Rennay
Just spoke to mum but she said Sylvia's isn't ringing any bells. She does however remember Bravingtons the jewellers. This dress shop is proving a real headache. I have got everyone I know who lived in and around East Ham trying to remember.
Also Rennay I must apologise for not replying when you posted about getting the material for your school uniform in Hawkins. I have since had it confirmed that they did indeed sell material.

Doug
I also used to collect stamps but until you mentioned it had forgotten about where I had bought them. Also when speaking to mum she confirmed that she's sure the furniture shop next to Hawkins was Times Furnishings. After her and dad got married in 1949 they bought their Beautility Furniture there which she said was so well made and long lasting.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 17 November, 2011, 05:31:06 PM
Hi Doug, You could well be right about the store not being Davant and it being my memory that is false.  No doubt someone else will have a view.  Morgans of Myrtle Road?  Now you mention it, I do recall there being a shop which sold stamps (philately, rather than a post office!).  I think it could have been the shop which Fosters later took over and sold stationery from?

Linda:  Beautility Furniture, there's another great old English company that's sadly gone by the wayside.  "Well made and long lasting" as you said.  When I had a road haulage business, once a week, we would transport loads of packaging material into the factory at Brentwood (mid to late 70s).  Pleasant, friendly guys worked there - always conscientious and obliging, probably reflected in the standard of workmanship.  He ho - time moves on.  :(

Best regards to all.

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 17 November, 2011, 05:34:05 PM
Ok, we've done the high street and part of the Barking Road - anyone fancy a stab at The Shopping Hall?  :-\
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 17 November, 2011, 07:05:20 PM
David,

In my previous post I meant to say Fosters of Myrtle Road instead of Morgans. Morgans was a Stationers opposite  the office where I worjed in Holborn and had nothing at all to do with Newham. So far as remembering shops in The Shopping Hall is concerned I will need ro leave it to you! The only name of a shop that I can remember is Brian Lawlor who ran the plant shop if you turned right as you entered themarket from Myrtle Road. I remember if you went straight ahead to the centre arcade there was a butcher trading from the first unit on the left but I have no idea of the name. Akso if you turned left from Myrtle Road there was a unit that sold second hand paperbacks and comics.

I went through the Shopping Hall many times but where the units were situated is a complete blur!


Dougt
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 17 November, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
Doug, oh, Fosters did stamps too, maybe the stationery part was a later addition?  I forgot to mention that my mum worked at Fosters too, in the confectioners.  Mr Foster was a smallish bespectacled chap with a little moustache, seemed pleasant enough - I recall he was also a magistrate but, I'm pleased to say, I never knew him in that capacity!

Not so sure about a memory walk in the Shopping Hall at present - my wife's telling me that I'm spending too much time on "Newham" so perhaps I'll leave that on the back burner for now.  It'll probably itch away though and I'll eventually have a bash - unless you beat me to it?  Or Linda? ;D

Best regards.

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 18 November, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
Hi Doug and Linda. That store I believe was Davants and Max Bygraves opened it.

Doug ... I worked in George's while I was still at school ... just on a Saturday. Did your Mum work Saturdays in 1958, 1959 and 1960?

Linda ... I'll wrack my brain and delve into some old diaries to see if I can find the name of that dress shop. I remember the store vividly... it had an upstairs showroom as well as the dowstairs one and there was a lovely old-fashioned staircase.

Cheers from Australia

Rennay
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 18 November, 2011, 09:09:54 AM
Reenay

I think my mother would have left Georges before 1958 - I can only remember her working there in the early to mid 1950s. After that she worked in British Home Stores and Caters in East Ham High Street and also had a short spell in the Receiving Office/Shop of Advance laundries in Church Road Manor Park and Balaam Street Plaistow. She spent a few years working for The Salvation Army at their headquarters in the city before returning to High Street North to work for Ward and Stephens a DIY store on the corner of Gladstone Avenue. She continued working there on a couple of mornings each week until she passed away age 90.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: JOHNL on 18 November, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
hi,there used to be a shop on maryland point,stratford that used to use the overhead wire system and was known as "sweets" or "swetes" in the 50,s
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 18 November, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
And 50 years on we survived without a Takeaway, Pound Shop, Mobile Phone Shop or Bookies in sight!

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 18 November, 2011, 11:26:40 PM
Hi Linda ... I searched through some old diaries and guess what ... I found the name of that dress shop ... it was Odell's!

How about that! I started just before Christmas with my best friend just as a Saturday job for the Christmas period.

Amazing!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 19 November, 2011, 04:53:43 PM
Hi Rennay
Thank goodness for that-we can all sleep at nights now we know the name! Mum sends her thanks. I think that was where I bought a dress back in the 60's. It's funny how you forget these things isn't it.

JohnL
I'm afraid I don't know any of the shops at Maryland Point but I'm sure there are others on the forum who will. It seems there were quite a few shops using the overhead wire system.

David
Not too sure about remembering the stalls in the market-not sure my brain can take it! I only know Alf Onnie who sold net and heavy curtains. Mum tells me he also had a shop selling the same in the High Street near Larkins. I don't think we knew the stalls by name just as the Bookstall which Doug mentioned, and the Pet Stall which sold kittens and puppies,the wet fish stall which also sold eels and the cafe where nan would take me when we went shopping.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 21 November, 2011, 09:42:32 PM
I met a friend this evening who grew up in Winter Avenue East Ham. She mentioned another couple of shops, Kentons (Furniture) which she thinks was sited opposite Caulfield Road close to WH Smith or perhaps in the same unit. She also mentioned Pollards, a drapers but we could not remember the location of their shop. I think Pollards may have also had shops in Ilford and Barking.

Dougt
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 21 November, 2011, 10:51:51 PM
Doug, Pollards was in the Barking Road, between Keppel Road and High Street North - I mentioned it in my Barking Road 'memory walk.'  There was another branch in the Barking Road, Plaistow near the E.G. Bates cycle shop - I had my first job there in 1965; does anyone know whether E.G. Bates is still there?

Regarding Pollards at Barking and Ilford, it would sound a possibility?

Best regards to all.

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 22 November, 2011, 01:40:40 PM
Hello to Linda & Rennay,
You are both happy now you have found your shop to be O'DELLS, but please enlighten me where this shop is?
I have been racking my brain to think of a shop in East Ham? that had a beautiful staircase.

There was one shop near Jerome's (I always thought was a Richards Shop)all long gone, where i took my weeks wages of £4.10s and spent £3+on a lovely long black dress with a large plaid Taffeta bow on the left hip.I felt like the "Kippers Knickers".
Going to London for a Cricketers Charity Ball in 48/49.
Mum got 10 Weights to ease my extravagance.         Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: harry on 22 November, 2011, 04:40:11 PM
Pollards also had a shop in Freemasons Road Custom House,and one in Hornchurch High Street.
Regards Harry. 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 22 November, 2011, 08:16:37 PM
Harry I knew that one too. Grandmas favourite shop for lace curtains,etc.etc.

Do you remember the Furniture Store (the last shop I think)at the bottom of FR,
Used to go in there for my mum and say "Sorry she could not pay her 6d this week"
will try and pay double next. The lady was so understanding and kind to me.
We were so proud of those pieces of furniture and they all went in the loss of our
first home re the bombing.

They had Linda's overhead cash registers too.

Regards Louise.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 22 November, 2011, 10:01:22 PM
Hi Louise
Odell's the shop where Rennay worked was near the Gaumont Cinema. When I told mum the name she did say that she couldn't remember a staircase and thought the shop she meant was only on the ground floor. She did mention Richards Shop which she said was further up the High St. Your dress sounded well worth nearly a weeks wage.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 23 November, 2011, 02:33:12 AM
Hi Louise ... the staircase wasn't that beautiful I suppose but it had a bend in it and it was lushly (is that a word? lol) carpeted and I loved working in the upstairs part because that's where the luxury items were ... like wedding dresses ... evening wear and fur coats! I loved trying everything on when no-one was around!

Rennay
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: nan on 23 November, 2011, 09:35:21 AM
pollards had a shop at the boleyn,opp the odeon,
one in barking rd,near the abbey arms,and at one time they
had one along by fairbairn hall and one in the old rathbone market,
one of my inlaws worked at those two.
it was a shame they closed ,you could get lots of bargains in their shops
nan .



Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 23 November, 2011, 02:24:42 PM
Harry

Despite living in Hornchurch from 1986 until 2010 I had completely forgotten that Pollards had a shop in Hornchurch High Street. I think the store closed between 10 and 15 years ago but I'm not 100% certain.

Going back to the original thread re; East ham High Street there is a photograph(ref.133) in Brian Evans nook "Bygone East Ham" showing the Co-op Departmental Store and about 10 others shops on the west side of the High Street between St.Johns Road and Myrtle Road. Unfortunately the photograph was taken at 10.15am on a sunny morning and all thge shops including the Co-op have their blinds down making it impossible to see the fascias of the shops.

The photograph was taken some time in the 1930s and one of the shops, which appears to be a double unit has a sign "Hamnetts" at first floor level . Does any remember Hamnetts and what sort of shop it was?

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 23 November, 2011, 04:59:39 PM
Hi Doug
It's only a guess but as Hamnetts was at first floor level do you think it may have been a solicitors? I have googled Hamnetts but nothing is showing. It's a shame that Stratford Library where Newham Archives is based is closed for refurbishment until Spring 2012 as they probably have some old trade directories. I'm not far from Stratford so when it re-opens will put it on my calendar and look it up for you. In the meantime though someone from the forum may have the answer.

With regard to Pollards I remember well the one near Israels in the Barking Road, and the one near the Boleyn. Also as I'm not far from Hornchurch I remember that branch as well but like you aren't sure when it closed.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 23 November, 2011, 05:28:46 PM
Hi Linda

Thanks for your response. I doubt whether the "Hamnetts" sign related to a Solicitor or other office use above the shops. The letters forming the name "Hamnetts" appear to be between 2ft 6inches and 3ft tall and reach the half way mark of the sash windows of the 1st floor. The name also takes up the entire width of 2 shops so is propably in the region of 30 feet long.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 23 November, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Without the benefit of seeing the photograph, I did check the London Telephone directories for 1930-1950. There is no one named HamNetts that I could find so I guess the name may possibly be HaMMetts misread. The are two shops with this name R.C. Hammetts butchers at 15 High St North, (about the correct location). This business had dozens of outlets across London. The other was Ben Hammetts jewellers at 2 Barking Road, East Ham.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 23 November, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
Mick

Thanks for your help. The name of the shop is Hammetts,.(Apologies that I misread the name from the photograph) and, as you say, the
address of 15 High Street is correct.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: PeterC on 23 November, 2011, 09:03:28 PM
Doug, Pollards was in the Barking Road, between Keppel Road and High Street North - I mentioned it in my Barking Road 'memory walk.'  There was another branch in the Barking Road, Plaistow near the E.G. Bates cycle shop - I had my first job there in 1965; does anyone know whether E.G. Bates is still there?

Regarding Pollards at Barking and Ilford, it would sound a possibility?

Best regards to all.

David.


E.G. Bates cycle shop closed a while back and is now split into two shops, one half sells furniture.
Peter
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 23 November, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
Peter, thanks for that snippet of info.  Shame.

David.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 23 November, 2011, 10:27:06 PM
David

With regard to E G Bates there are a number of references to this company on the web which I think would be of interest to you. If you "Google" E G Bates Plaistow it should lead you to a number of sites featuring the firm including the BBC.

Doug

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 23 November, 2011, 10:49:53 PM
Have found a good site with photo's of East Ham. If you google Francis Firth East Ham then once in the site click on photos it shows various photo's of East Ham taken in 1965. Includes High St North and Barking Road.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 24 November, 2011, 09:16:44 PM
Linda just turned up your Francis Frith photographs what
a lovely surprise and my goodness what a difference time has made.
thank you so much .
Seeing the Town Hall  brought back my dancing
days on Friday's but mostly Saturday nights.
Hearing about the death of Edmundo Ross a few weeks ago
also reminded me, although i wished sometimes we had somebody
else to make a change of tempo.
Wish i could have got to Stratford Town Hall as other postees have
made it sound a great place to visit.
Did not spot "O,Dells" your dress shop i still cant,t place it.  Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 24 November, 2011, 09:42:22 PM
Hi Louise
Glad you enjoyed the photo's. They are certainly a trip down memory lane. The ones of High St North are further up than where Odell's was. What we need if a photo of the Gaumont Cinema then we might be able to see it. Will keep looking-you never know one might turn up.

Linda
 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 26 November, 2011, 11:31:07 PM
Have spent hours trying to find a photo of the old Gaumont .... all I found was a depressing photo of it all closed down and boarded up!

As you say Linda ... one day one may turn up!  ;)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 27 November, 2011, 08:29:28 AM
Reenay/Linda

Came across this old photo of The Gaumont. Taken pre 1959 as the Trolleybus wires are still visible.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 27 November, 2011, 08:31:48 AM
Reenay/Linda

An earlier photo of when The Gaumont was still The Premier. Note the ladies dress shop next to Eastmans. Is this the mystery shop?

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 27 November, 2011, 09:12:43 AM
Great Pic Doug but I thought the dress shop was to the left of the cinema as you faced it! But my memory isn't reliable. Still, fantastic pics never-the-less
Cheers Rennay.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 27 November, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
To one and all that have been posting re the "Gaumont " mystery.
I know why i have never been able to bring it to mind is because  i remember it
as the PREMIER (thanks Doug for solving this one and pictures) just like the 1950
High Street i remember.

RENNAY seing the PREMIER and you saying O'Dells faced the cinema to the left am I correct on the opposite corner to the Co-op was  a BHS? or such like if so I am almost sure our shop with a staircase (i still cant place as i dont think i ever went in the shop) was only a couple of doors down and thinking about it one of the
largest fronted shops in the High Street. (How i ever forgot it i don't know.)

I have enjoyed this little bit of History greatly and thanks for all your help.
LINDA does Mum now recognise where we are?     
                                         Regards Louise
 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 27 November, 2011, 11:33:20 AM
oops ... I've confused you I think. I meant as you look at the photo the Odell store was to the left ... same side of the road as the Gaumont. Might even be that store just on the left of the photo ... that looks like a Ladieswear store.

I'll ask my 95 year old Mum tomorrow ... she may remember the stores along that section of the High st.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 27 November, 2011, 12:04:53 PM
Reenay

For as long as I can remember the store to the left of the Gaumont, as you face it, was always British Homes Stores. BHS closed down a few years ago and Primark now occupy the store as well as the former Gaumont. Woolworths was opposite the Gaumont on the corner of Skeffington Road.

It is of course possible that the shop to the right of The Premier (Gaumont) next to Eastmans subsequently changed its name to O'Dell or Odelle. The fascia board of the shop in the photograph shows the name Lu-Bell.

As a matter of interest The Premier was renamed The Gaumont in 1952.

Doug



Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 27 November, 2011, 04:32:01 PM
Doug
Thank you for the photo's. Spoke to mum but she said she doesn't recognise the name Lu-Bell. She is going to ring a relative who used to live in Caledon Road and see if she can remember the shop. Mum said she's sure as well that British Home Stores was always on the corner of Wakefield Street. As you say Doug it's now Primark.

Louise
My old nan used to call the Gaumont the Premier-as she lived in East Ham all her life I suppose she found it hard to think of it any other way.  Theres also another photo on the A-Z on the Newham Story. Under H for High St North looking South 1970. Still cannot make out what the shops say near the Gaumont though.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: GeoffM on 27 November, 2011, 04:42:07 PM
Doug

Just to date your picture of the Gaumont a bit more the film showing is Safari starring Victor Mature this was released in 1956.

GeoffM
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 27 November, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
Linda Hi, think i may have solved our "O'Dells mystery.
Come down from BHS and pass several unknown stores and there
was a Ladies shop, lots of glass with displays of coats usualy on the left side and dresses etc., on right.  You could go up one aisle cross the top
and come down the other back on
to the high street,quite possible it was large enough for an upstairs.,   
Carry on (All on left side from Co-op.)down a little way and therewas
the Premier.  Does Mum think this is possible?

Sure i have this right and hope you can understand my explanations.
but like everybody else  the mind can play some funny tricks at times.
Regards to you and Mum.   Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 27 November, 2011, 05:21:55 PM
Hi Louise

Will ask mum and see if she remembers and will let you know. She says the same as you-it's such a long time ago the memory tends to dim a little. She's really enjoying these little chats and says it is exercising her memory!

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 27 November, 2011, 10:45:20 PM
Louise that sounds about right ... it did have coats in the left hand window as I remember!
My diary entry was for the Xmas season 1957 and would you believe I can't find the 1958 diary! I have 1959/60/61 and 62 but no 1959 which would have had more info on my Saturday job.

One thing I have noticed from my readings in the diaries is how often I went to the cinema. Three times a week was quite usual. Often though I wrote  "went to movies but couldn't get in!" Do you remember the long queues and the ushers allowing you in two or three at a time as soon as seats became vacant? You usually got in half way through a movie and would sit through the end before you saw the beginning ... then when you came to the appropriate spot you would whisper "this is where we came in" and you'd make a discreet exit! Those were the days!  :)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 28 November, 2011, 10:26:04 AM
     
    Thank You Rennay,
                     for our communications, it has been such a pleasure
     to talk about the old times,and Linda and Mum have been very
     helpful as well.

     I sure do remember lining up etc., for the Cinema used to go
     twice a week at the most due to lack of "Pennies".
     In my day if you went with the current boy-friend we always
     went dutch as no one had much cash(remember i was in the 40s)
     Had one date and he took me to see "Way to the Stars" and we sat
     in the 1/9d. (Thought I had made it big time.)Hope to post again
     in the near future.   Take Care Louise.
     
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 28 November, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
   
    Before East Ham High Street burns out, could i just ask if a Poster
    has mentioned the Registra Office over EH bridge (dead opposite
    entrance to Railway Station) my Mum was re-married there in 1947.

    Over the top was the good old "Stratford Express Offices".

    Apologies if this has been posted before, thought it worth a mention.
    Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: keith SPRINGFORD on 28 November, 2011, 10:47:03 AM
Looking back its so strange that ""this is where we came "" in routine..and the projector beams through the clouds of smoke..Strange place the Gaumont...or as my parents called  it ,the ""Premier"'  pronounced ""Preemeer"", a corridor leading to a huge empty space where the ticket office was,  it must have had a use once?.  ""Bunking in "" there was difficult I remember, as was the Odeon at the Boleyn. The Granada in the Barking Road and The Coronation at Manor Park were a doddle !
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 28 November, 2011, 11:39:38 AM
Louise
With regard to your query about East Ham Registry Office there was a previous thread around April/May 2011 on the Historical Newham section of the forum relating to the subject.  As you say the Registry Office was above the Stratford Express offices and accessed via a staircase next to the Wilson & Whitworth shop, who were the publishers of The Stratford Express.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 09 January, 2012, 03:20:25 PM
Mystery Shop Named

Mum has just had a call from a friend who lived in East Ham and she remembered the name of the Ladies Dress Shop just past the Gaumont. It was called Jane Lee and as soon as mum heard the name she remembered it.  She thought all of you that had kindly sent in suggestions of the name would like to know.

Louise
Does this ring a bell with you?

Linda



 

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 09 January, 2012, 04:30:28 PM
     
       Linda and Mum,
       Cannot say it rings any bells, but it is the kind of name a shop with their merchandise
       would have.
       
       Thanks for letting me know and I bet Rennay would be interested.


       Regards to both and Happy New Year.

       Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 09 January, 2012, 11:30:26 PM
Perhaps the name changed to Jane Lee   ;D ... but it was definitely Odell's when I worked there because I have it in my diary in Black and White.

Perhaps there were several ladieswear shops along that stretch of High Street? Interesting info tho ... thanks Linda and Mum. :)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 10 January, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
As a male I am somewhat reluctant to enter into this discussion between female members of the forum regarding the whereabouts of ladies fashion shops in High Street North. I do remember a shop trading as "Jane Lee" but believe that this was to the north of the former Davants/Hardy Furniture Store opposite the junction with Caledon Road.
From the photo of the High Street narrated as c1970 (I think was actually taken in the early 1960s!) on the main Newham Story site 5 shop units can be seen to the south of Davants in the block running up to the Gaumont/Premier. The first shop in this parade next to Davants was THe Ocean Fish Bar and next door to that was Stylo Shoes. There was also an opticians "Hammonds" in this block and this shop appears to be the middle unit of the block. At one time the unit immediately next to the cinema comprised two "half shops", one Eastmans Dry Cleaners and the other a ladies fashion store.
This leaves the shop next door in the block as unidentified and could this be Odells?. 
Another possibility is that Odells was the half shop but also used the first floor for retail purposes hence the staircase mentioned in an earlier post.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: nelliesgirl on 10 January, 2012, 10:28:55 AM
When I was a young girl!  back in the mid 50's my mother would take my sister and I to buy our summer outfits for best! to Green Street.  The shop as I remember it was to the top of Green Street, on the same side as Queen Street Market, not far from the West Ham Football Grounds, it was ran by a old gentlemen.  I would always choose the brightest  of clothes, either, tartan, bold strips, poker dots, and striped blazers for Easter. He would smile at Mum, as if to say, Is that O K!    In 1959 I remember Mum, buying my first costume, it was a Prince of Wales check, with a white collar and cuffs, I was also allowed little white gloves white court shoes, to match. I thought I was the Bee's knees! at just 14 years old. As most of our dresses and outfits where home made, as little ones   As a young girl I didn't take much notice of the name above the door, just so excited and wanted to get in the shop, to see all those lovely dresses.

Can any poster, tell me the name of the shop, Please!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Andy C on 10 January, 2012, 10:57:33 AM
Rennay & Linda C

As DougT remarked I hate to enter the realms of women's cloths shops but to try to resolve the identity of these shops I have delved into my 1968 Kelly's and found the following information,

Odell's of Oxford Street, gowns
99 High Street North
Tel, GRAngwood 2632

This was located between Hardy & Co and Keelers Shoes.

Jane Lee's Costumiers
117 High Street North
Tel, GRAngwood 0235

This shop was next to James Walkers the Jewellers.


Hope this assist.
Andy
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Kathy Taylor on 10 January, 2012, 11:23:39 AM
Nell

the childrens clothes shop that you remember in Green Street could have been Ralph Moss who is listed in the 1949 Kelly's Directory at No436. This is between Selsdon and Walton Roads - No434 is actially on the corner of Selsdon Road so the clothes shop would have been next to it.

Hope this helps.

Kathy
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 10 January, 2012, 01:59:43 PM
Thank you Andy C for the addresses of the two shops. This helps makes the locations clearer.
I have looked at Kelly's Directories at various Archives when I have been researching family history. What a useful book to have in your collection to consult.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 11 January, 2012, 06:19:41 AM
Thanks Andy ... that is amazing info! Well done and thank you.
Cheers Rennay!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: nelliesgirl on 11 January, 2012, 11:09:57 AM
Thank You! Kathy, yes it does.

Nell
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 19 January, 2012, 12:20:27 AM
I remember the Co-op in the late 1960s. I used to love going there just to go in the lift. There was a lift attendant and his job was just to open & close the gates as pull a highly-polished brass handle to make the lift go up and down. I wanted his job when I grew up!

I will have to ask one of my family for the photo again as I want to see it. The old site had a photo on the home page of my nan (who died when I was a baby) pushing my dad in a pram along High St. North round 1936.

PS - Although my dad's family are from East Ham (Hameway), my mum's were from Leyton. My mum worked in Bearmans in Leytonstone when she left school and has also mentioned  money being put in a chute that went to a cash office (as well as the staff being given hygiene instructions  - such as being told to clean the insides of their shoes with disinfectant  ;D )

PPS - As this thread is about East Ham High Street; which I think is what people usually meant by High Street North  :) - but apparently my nan & granddad met (must have been around 1920) when they were both working in the Central Arms - which I think must be in High Street South?

One more thing - can anyone remember the name of the shop that sold hot faggots sold in brown paper bags? (sounds more like 1867 than 1967  :) ) - I remember one of the butchers in the High Street would give us kids a raw sausage to eat (yuk) - when we got outside, my mum would make us throw them away with the promise of a hot faggot or a penny bun from the bakers across the road.

I also remember our dentist Mr Pamment who was further up the High Street on the right - in the block before C&A if I remember rightly.

I feel ancient now  ;D
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 19 January, 2012, 03:12:10 AM
That was my dentist too aaaaghhhhhhhhhhh.......................
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 19 January, 2012, 08:43:30 AM
MBrennan

I think you may mean the Central Hotel that is (was) in Barking Road midway between East Ham Town Hall and The Boleyn. The only pubs that I can remember from High Street South were The Red Lion (later The Hammers) and The White Horse.

Our family's dentist was also Mr Pamment but I can only remember going there on a couple of occasions as a child. I cannot recall the surgery being in the block before C & A but it is possible that he may have moved premises. When I attended his surgery was situated above one of the shops between W H Smith and The Gaumont.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 19 January, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
Thanks Doug. I will ask my mum which pub they met in. My dad died 7 years ago and it was his parents. As for Mr Pamment, his surgery was above a shop but I thought it was the opposite side to WH Smith. It must have been an old surgery as I remember the old rust-coloured lino in there. I remember he had a little bakelite machine that he ground the amalgam up in for fillings. He would let us flick the switch to tun it on. You had a little solid ball of amalgam and the machine ground it to a powder. Although I was only small, I remember him as looking like one of the characters in Doctor Who with a goatee beard  ;D
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 19 January, 2012, 02:30:08 PM
MBrennan

Welcome to the forum.
In an earlier posting I made on the 15/11/2011 I mentioned that my mum had told me about a shop that sold faggots and pease pudding. She couldn't remember the name but said it was known as The Offal Shop and was in the Barking Road just past the Co-op. Perhaps someone may remember the name.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 19 January, 2012, 03:06:11 PM
Thanks Linda  :)

Sounds like faggots must have been quite popular  :D

I'm sure the one we got them from was on High St North on the corner of the road that leads up to the market. They were lovely & peppery - nothing like those horrible Brains faggots.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: riggulden on 23 January, 2012, 04:08:35 PM
Anyone interested in 50s East Ham High street can see some very evocative film on the British Pathe site.
I know it sounds odd but look for the "Frogmen fireman" clip.
It will become clear when you view it.
There a bit of other stuff there as well.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 23 January, 2012, 09:29:13 PM

 

 I worked on the opposite corner to which you referred in BOYD PIANOS (any one
 remember them?)

Did you mean Barnes Pianos Louise?
 :)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 19 March, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Hi Louise
I have found a photo of East Ham Town Hall which was taken they say in the 1960's. In the corner it shows a glimpse of Boyds Piano shop and as you used to work there I thought it would bring back memories for you. Unfortunately the photo is too
large to post onto the forum and the web link isn't working at the moment. But if you google Boyds Piano Shop East Ham then scroll down to Newham Town Hall/Flickr Photo sharing you will find the photo.

Regards
Linda

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 19 March, 2012, 06:24:07 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28083135@N06/6986815881/

The Boyd's logo looks very familiar. Not sure where I might have seen it as we didn't have a piano. Not sure when the shop closed. Although I don't remember it, maybe it is in my memory bank somewhere covered in cobwebs  :D - I guess the colours would have appealed to little kids.

Is that someone on a red Vespa on the corner outside the town hall?  :D

I love the artificial look of some of those old pictures  :)

PS - I seem to remember a Clothes/Haberdashers shop on the corner diagonal to Boyd's - maybe not right on the corner, but the 1st or 2nd shop in. I think it may have been called Manny's - run by a Jewish couple?

Also trying to place Pollards in my mind too. Was it in Barking road past the Co-op?

I remember the shop fittings made from wood painted yellow with lots of holes drilled in them so they could alter the size of the shelves that had glass partitions with chrome fittings. We always got our Plimsolls, underwear, hankies etc from there.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 19 March, 2012, 07:55:25 PM
Mark

We have now gone the full circle of this thread as it was a question about the drapery store on the corner of High Street north and Barking Road that started the thread back in November 2011. The name of the store was "Hawkins".
Pollards is also referred to in a later post and was situated opposite the Town Hall in Barking Road just past Times Furnishing .
I can't recall the location of "Mannys" although there may have been a couple of tailors along Barking Road

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 19 March, 2012, 09:48:05 PM
Dear Linda, Thank you so much for the photo of Boyd's.
When I worked there it looked nothing like that at all.  Wondering did they branch out and
sell other products perhaps as well as Pianos.?One of our Posters(think it was Leydaf) had purchased a Record Player.
there, I wonder was the frontage like that then?
In my time (1945/6) it was a very Up-Market looking frontage with just one or two best Pianos,placed for
the best effect.  All that yellow and Neon Sign makes it look very over the top and cheap.

My earlier posting reached the SON of the Manager who I worked with.
Asking could I give him any info. re his Father. (which I did).
He said Dad had died in 1966, but was far away from East Ham bye then. I know he would have hated that frontage the same as I.

Louise.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 19 March, 2012, 10:43:00 PM
There is a photo here of a sign for Boyd's that was underneath a hoarding that was removed. I wonder if it is still there?

I love seeing these old signs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/3045447413/

There is one on the side of the building next to me for electric lighting (It is a gas showroom these days). I think it dates back to the 1920s. I hope it doesn't get painted over.

Did Boyd's sell theatre tickets when you worked there Louise?

Mark

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 20 March, 2012, 12:53:51 PM
BOYD'S OLD SIGN.
Mark what a lovely find! Your Question re Theatre Tickets YES and quite a good business. Our Agent was Keith Prowse London Ltd.
Very well placed in the Theatre world up until about 10 years ago?? I seem to remember something about it on the news.
 
Very popular shows of the Day were, Me and My Girl, Flannagan & Alan, Perchance to Dream (Ivor Novello)Arthur Askey & too many to ment.

I noticed the wording on the SIGN as having Deferred Payments, cannot recall anything like that in 46/47 time.
It seems strange even to me but I cannot remember any money in that East Ham Showroom at all, I know it was mostly cash sales in those days, but as in other positions I have done the banking etc. but not here.  Believe Mr.C must have kept it on his person as he often wandered up the High Street when not out buying old Pianos for renovation. 
We did have a Glass Jar that we kept the Polish money in.!! ??? 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 20 March, 2012, 02:11:26 PM
Hi Louise
Wasn't that a great sign that Mark found. I wonder how many other old signs are covered beneath hoardings. Very different as you said to the photo of the 1960's.

How nice that the son of the manager that you used to work with made contact with you through the forum and that you were able to tell him about his father. It was interesting that you couldn't remember money being on the shop but that Mr C probably had it in his pockets. Very trusting in those day eh!

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 20 March, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
Not quite East Ham High St I know, but for those who expressed an interest in old wall signs, below is a few links to several more in Forest Gate.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/suburbanslice/3460213856/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/3036073373/
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 20 March, 2012, 05:21:30 PM


    DEAR LINDA ,
    SOME OF THE PICTURES & SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE FORUM OF LATE ARE TRULY GREAT.
    WE DISCUSSED QUITE A WHILE AGO RE SENDING PHOTOGRAPHS AND I HAD MANY HINTS AND HELP FROM YOU AND OTHERS,
     AND ALTHOUGH I HAVE TRIED MANY TIMES , HAVE NEVER MASTERED IT.
    THINK IT IS LACK OF CONFIDENCE RATHER THAN KNOWLEDGE.   I HAVE SEEN THAT YOU MASTERED IT BY THE POSTS YOU HAVE SENT.

    IS MUM STILL HELPING YOU TO REMEMBER THINGS, I BET SHE IS?
   
    REGARDS TO BOTH.  lOUISE
 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 20 March, 2012, 06:01:28 PM
   
  Mick have studied your Sign re ?????? Works until I am" Boss Eyed" and cannot work it out at all.   If we could find out what they
  manufactured that would help.

  Dolcis was good also, and brought back memories of Coupons, and lining up for a new pair of shoes for Sunday Best.
  and then the present Sunday one's went for work. (What a to-do)
 
  Cannot remember it being written in that style though only realy remember it being like DOLCIS

  Thanks for the fun.
  Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 20 March, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Hi Louise,
They were good signs that Mick found as well. If I remember rightly I think there was a thread sometime ago regarding wall signs but can't remember exactly. Perhaps someone else on the forum will remember.

It's a shame you haven't managed to post any photo's. As you say it is mostly a case of confidence. I wonder if perhaps the Admin would be able to print out a step by step description that you would be able to follow.

Yes mum is still helping me with memories of East Ham. We were talking at the weekend about Boyd's piano shop which she remembers. Also a florist which was near there-think it was called Matthews but whether it was there in the 1940's we're not sure.

Hope you are better now as I saw on an earlier posting that you had been poorly.

Best Wishes
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 20 March, 2012, 07:04:15 PM
Louise, Unfortunately I have not been able to work out the name of the works either. (Excuse the pun). What is known is that these premises are located on the junction of Sprowston Road/Romford Rd Forest Gate. Hopefully someone will have some knowledge of the history.

I did once come across a website dedicated to old wall sign but cannot recall the sites name. Apparently there are still a lot of signs about which usually go unnoticed.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: nellanhoj on 20 March, 2012, 07:42:33 PM
Sprowston Road Sign is for:

P & P Campbell
Perth Dye Works,
Forest Gate

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 20 March, 2012, 08:39:07 PM
I wonder how many lovely old shop signs there are hidden behind horrible modern perspex ones.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 20 March, 2012, 08:55:13 PM



           THANK YOU NELLANHOJ FOR THAT ANSWER RE; PERTH DYE WORKS,

           LOUISE.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: PAULATEPC on 22 November, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
I knew Lionel Fink who ran the kiosk that is still there today but under a different name of course.  Lionel's dad did indeed run Ullmans.  Both Lionel and his family I knew because they were customers of my Dad who was an insurance man.  Lionel was (probably still is!!) a lovely man, always ready to chat with a fantastic memory for his customers regular purchases.  I seem to remember that Lionels kiosk was open at the same time as his dads shop.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Michael H on 23 November, 2012, 07:27:38 AM
What a fascinating thread this has been. I must compliment you all on your memory power.

You may be able to answer something that's been bugging me for ages. Does anyone remember the name of the art shop in Myrtle Rd, on the other side from Sainsbury's?

p.s. About a year or two back, I was on an overnight coach travelling from Glasgow to London. The person sitting next to me was the son of Charlie Paton (and seemed like a nice bloke).
Charlie Paton is a name that means very little to me, but apparently he ran a shop in East Ham Market for ages. If I remember, it was somewhere on the right as you went through the Myrtle Rd entrance, and was something to do with fabric.

My sister worked in a button shop on the back leg of the market, but the only shop there that really comes to mind was to the left as you went through the gates. You went past the cafe, and it was just before the corner. On Saturdays, as a kid, I'd buy second hand pocket war comics there, which could be taken back the next week and re-traded.
My memories of East Ham shops are mostly from the 60s-70s and to do with childish pursuits. I've happy memories of 'The Hobby Shop,' which was on the Barking Rd, somewhere between Hartley Ave and Katherine Rd - it was split into two. One part sold models, toy soldiers and the like, the other was more to do with D.I.Y. Also, for a year or two in the mid-70s, there was a specialist American comic shop on the Barking Rd, somewhere opposite St Bart's,  and Noriss's toy shop was on the corner of Ernald Ave.

Thanks all for an interesting thread.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 23 November, 2012, 08:03:20 AM
Michael

I think the name of the "Art Shop" in Myrtle Road may have been Fosters. It was next to the Congregational Church Hall that is referred to in the Palais de Danse thread and has also been mentioned in another thread. When I collected stamps as a youngster I often went to that shop to buy a packet with pocket money.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 23 November, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
I had forgotten all about that art shop. I remember they had one of those figures in the window that you bend into shape and then use modelling clay over it to make a 'sculpture'. I remember going in there a few times as a kid but most of the things were a bit beyond pocket-money prices (ie Rowney, Reeves) so most of our pencils etc came from the cheap shop/stall in the market. If I remember rightly (probably not  :-[ ), the art shop was next-door to Mudies - or at least in the same block?

Re Norris's - I am sure that is where I got my glow-in-the-dark 'airfix' Frankenstein kit  :D

My brother who is 18 months older than me was really into airfix planes, which I seem to remember him getting in the toy shop, but seems to make more sense that he got them in the hobby shop.

Mark
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Post by: Michael H on 23 November, 2012, 10:34:54 AM
Fosters sounds right, Doug. Cheers.

Mark, If memory serves, the Hobby Shop may have been the best stocked model shop in East Ham, but they were pretty widely available. Newsagents would sometimes stock a few Airfix, Revel, etc models. The Co-op by the Denmark had them too, I think. Norris's, W H Smiths and at least one stall in the market, even. Further afield, there was Hills of Barking, A.G. Hermits at Upton Park/Plaistow, and a shop whose name escapes me on Green St.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 23 November, 2012, 11:11:15 AM
Of course, I am forgetting that most kids had some kind of hobby then  :) - although I never did get the fascination with sticking bits of plastic together and painting it  :D - I did try but there was more glue on me than the model. Some of them were really complicated - or so it seemed to me.

We have one of those hobby shops where I live now. Amazing that brands like Hornby, Airfix etc still survive. I always wanted a little steam engine. One of the teachers at Vicarage Lane had one and once in a while he would 'fire it up' for us. I'm pretty sure it was Mr Thomas, the music teacher.  As I remember it, water went in a little tank and meths was used to heat it up. Of course, H&S wouldn't allow it now :)

Mark

PS - Not Newham I know, but I 'spoke' too soon this morning. I went down the road earlier and the model shop has closed down. I'm sure it was still open last week.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: KathyF on 23 November, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
I was only telling someone the other day about visiting Santa at the Co-op. As a child I was convinced we went for a real ride in a Cinderella type coach to see him. Bit different to the Santa Grottos of today.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 23 November, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
It's nice to see that the East Ham High Street thread has started up again with fresh memories from new members.

Michael
I remember very well the book and comic stall just past the cafe in East Ham market. My friend's mum worked on that stall and we used to buy back copies of Bunty and Judy comics which us girls loved to read. I don't recall the fabric stall but do remember along there was Alf Onnie who sold ladies clothing.

Kathy
My sister and I used to love our visits to the Co-op at Christmas and the wonderful fairytale rides before seeing Father Christmas. I have a photo somewhere of me with Santa at the Co-op and I'm holding a box of building bricks which was my present. Lovely memories.

Linda

Mark
My husband has just been reading the Railway Modeller Magazine and tells me that the shop you mentioned East Kent Models has moved from the 13th November to Unit 50 Joseph Wilson Industrial Estate, Millstrood Road, Whitstable.
 
PS Just remembered Alf Onnie sold nets and heavy curtains not ladies clothing. I think he also had a shop further up High St North near Larkins
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 23 November, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
Hi Linda,

Thanks for the info  :) - glad to know I didn't imagine it being open recently :

Mark

PS - My mum still has some of our christmas annuals that came from the book & toy stall in the market.  ;) - One of them is Superman 1967 annual with our Beckton address scrawled in crayon at the front  :D
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Lengthofwire on 04 December, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
Hi Linda
I have just seen your reference to Nelsons, opposite the Co-Op.  I still have 3 Johnston's linen-backed maps bought from them around 1952 for 2/6d each and they accompanied me on cycle trips to The West Country. Being linen they are as good as new.  Thanks for reminding me of their name.

Len
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 04 December, 2012, 08:33:55 PM
Hi Len

Those maps were certainly a good buy especially being made of linen they were made to last. Nelsons was a lovely shop and I'm sure that's where my dad used to buy his tins of Golden Virginia and I used to love looking at the fountain pens. I was bought a Schaeffer fountain pen for a birthday present. I still have it but it's tucked away as now it's all ballpoint pens.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 04 December, 2012, 08:53:24 PM
I still use a quality fountain pen when writing letters. There is something about the appearance of a letter hand-written this way that somehow ball point and felt tipped pens cannot reproduce.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 05 December, 2012, 04:53:13 PM
Len

If you haven't already seen it I thought you might like to see this photo of Nelsons, High St North as shown in the A-Z section.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 09 December, 2012, 12:28:19 AM
What was the Nelsons shop in the black and white pic,  (number 20) is now a Metro betting shop.
The small strip of green wall  tiles the bloke is standing next to in the older pic  still exists as can be seen.

(http://i41.servimg.com/u/f41/16/11/23/28/20high10.jpg)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 09 December, 2012, 12:46:50 AM
It's incredible how the character has gone. It looks quite upmarket in the first photo (despite the hanging baskets in the recent one). uPVC windows and perspex signs probably have a lot to do with it. It also looks like the pavement was wider before?

Anyone know what the shop further up (in the old photo) with a sign like a coat of arms is?

Mark

PS - I'm guessing the first photo was about 1965? (going by the woman with the bouffant and astrakhan coat with the fur collar :) )
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Andy C on 09 December, 2012, 12:13:37 PM
The 1968 Kelly's directory shows it as The Westminster Bank at number 26.
Andy
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 09 December, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Yes East Ham High Street was one of the best shopping centres in London in 1965 but regrettably in 2012 that is not the case. Nelsons was a Tobacconists and Staioners who specialised in selling pipes and accesories. Next Door to them at No.22 was the Co-operative Undertakers and then at No. 24 a shoe shop, Swetman & Crocker. Then, as Andy has already posted, came the plan old Westminster Bank before the National bit was added. It's old logo can be seen on the hanging sign in the blavk and white photograph.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 09 December, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Thanks Andy & Doug :)

I remember the excitement of going up the High Street and all the shops full of interesting stuff. It seems the way of the world now that high streets are full of £ shops and other trash. I remember being taken to a jewellers (Fishers?) for my first watch when I was 7 or 8. It was only a Timex but I felt really grown up. Also, I could be wrong but I don't remember Clarks shoes listed as being one of the shops. I know there was one as I remember having our feet measured for sandals. It was a pale wood box with a light inside and the caliper thing was on top. I seem to remember there being a 'spastics society' collection box outside?

Mark
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: KathyF on 09 December, 2012, 05:08:04 PM
There was a photographers studio on the opposite side of the road to the station, I think it was near the pie and mash shop. It was called Jeromes and Mum and Dad took my sister and I there to have a family portrait taken. Dad always said  my brother was there too, he was the twinkle in my fathers eye.
As a small child it was really frightening, this man telling you to smile and believe it or not.....he used to disappear under a black cloth.
Blimey I sound ancient!  :o

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn154/marney34/family/mills.jpg)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 10 December, 2012, 01:19:12 AM
Blimey I sound ancient!  :o

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn154/marney34/family/mills.jpg)

No Comment  :D
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: leydaf on 14 December, 2012, 07:37:59 PM
Hi Doug,

I think the undertakers next door to Nelson's is H.Evans - the name is actually on the clock.  The Co-op Undertakers was on the opposite side of the road, my mum used to work there.  It was next to Lewis's (I think).  I lived in Thorpe Road and Evans used to park their hearses at the top of the road - immaculate Humber Super Snipes, as I recall. 

Best regards.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Eddie on 14 December, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
East ham high street was one of the best in the 60s. i worked in Hope bros mens outfitters as a junior and it was a really busy shop. Sad to see the decline now and all the well known names gone. believe what was Hope bros is now a Brighthouse store.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 15 December, 2012, 01:13:42 PM
Leydaf
Many thanks for posting the correction re Evans Undertakers. Not sure if the Evans that were in the block between Thorpe and Lloyd Roads is connected to the Evans Undertakers that is based in Caulfield Road today. I now remember the Co-op Undertakers being in the block between St Johns and Myrtle Road on the west side of the High Street and they have now moved to the corner of Lloyd Road. Seems that undertaking is immune from recessions!

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Lengthofwire on 03 January, 2013, 01:45:42 PM
Your dead-right there Dough, and to think it was once considered a dying trade!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: nellanhoj on 03 January, 2013, 03:33:20 PM
lengthofwire, ;D ;D

I shall undertake to ignore that observation and to remind you that  Lush and Cookes, the dry cleaners in Stratford has a sign that read: "We Dye To Live!"

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: briansandilands on 03 January, 2013, 04:43:03 PM
Or another sales pitch by a cleaners: 'Don't kill your wife, let us do it'.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 03 January, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
Brian
That was the slogan of Maycocks Laundry in Green Street on the corner of Redclyffe Road. Although the building is no longer occupied by Maycocks I believe that the slogan can still be seen around the clock face on the corner of the building. There were some postings about and a photo of the clock on another thread some time ago but I cannot remember what the subject of the thread was.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Lengthofwire on 03 January, 2013, 06:58:12 PM
And here it is, (http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag157/lengthofwire/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20LEN2/Ashampoo_Snap_20130103_18h54m54s_022_.jpg)courtesy of Google Earth.(http://)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 04 January, 2013, 12:10:10 AM
Seeing as we've posted a few pics from East Ham/Forest Gate can anyone help me with this one?
This is numbers 235/237/239 High Street North,,,,They are next to what was the old Burnell Arms on the Manor Park side.
It was obviously once just the one building and I'd guess maybe an old theatre judging by the concrete symbol of curtains above it?
Anyone?

(http://i10.servimg.com/u/f10/16/11/23/28/23710.jpg)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 04 January, 2013, 07:43:15 AM
Tony

Despite living in Manor Park for 38 years until 1986 I had never really taken notice of the facade of the building until seeing it in your photograph. Going back to the 1950s I can only remember the three units being used as shops. I think the unit on the left may have been a ladies wear shop, the middle unit at one time was a Post Office unil it moved across the road into the block between Kensington & Gladstone Avenues and I think the shop on the right may have been an opticians. Remember going into the Post Office in the 1950s as there also used to be a man inside the shop selling eggs.

I would be interested to know if there is anyone who can recall the building from earlier days as it certainly looks like it could have been a theatre or perhaps a function suite for The Burnell itself.

I believe there may be plans to build a Hindu Temple on the site of the old Burnell now - another example of plans being put forward with little thought being given for the parking problems that may be caused by users.

Doug   
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: jplant1 on 04 January, 2013, 11:00:00 PM
Re the brilliant pic of East Ham Town Hall posted back in March, surely that is the old East Ham Central Hall tower visible eastwards along Barking Rd beyond the Town Hall?
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 05 January, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Hi jplant1

Yes that is the Central Hall Tower in the background of the photo. If you go back on the Memories and Nostalgia Section to 20th October 2012 under the topic "St Mary's Hall" that Mark posted, I printed a photo of the outside and inside of the Central Hall which was a wonderful old building.

Linda

 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Lengthofwire on 05 January, 2013, 06:52:33 PM
When was the Central Hall demolished?  My first wife was teaching religious education (Sunday School) when I met her back in 1955, somewhere in that building.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 05 January, 2013, 07:34:24 PM
Was demolished in 1968 Len
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 23 January, 2013, 04:10:34 PM
Seeing as we've posted a few pics from East Ham/Forest Gate can anyone help me with this one?
This is numbers 235/237/239 High Street North,,,,They are next to what was the old Burnell Arms on the Manor Park side.
It was obviously once just the one building and I'd guess maybe an old theatre judging by the concrete symbol of curtains above it?
Anyone?

(http://i10.servimg.com/u/f10/16/11/23/28/23710.jpg)

I've resurrected this one as I'm really surprised nobody has any ideas on this fascinating building.
 :o
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 23 January, 2013, 04:16:32 PM
Possibly another Palais de Danse mystery?
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Andy C on 23 January, 2013, 08:08:48 PM
I have had a close look at this and found that the photo is of 241 High Street North E12.
The street numbering appears to have been altered since 1968. Then, The Brunell Arms is shown as 241 and the properties between the pub and Tennyson Avenue 241a,241b,241c,241d and on the corner 243. This indicates to me that the property could possibly have be a covered market.
The occupiers were,
241a Godfrey Ladies Costumier,
241b Carpex Carpets,
241c Jay Hairdressers
241c East Ham Labour Party
241d Patricia Ladies Outfitters.

Today 241 is Wiseman Lee Solicitors and 243 is a Medical Centre.
The design of the building also leads me to believe it was possibly an old market building.

Andy
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 23 January, 2013, 11:32:08 PM
You're right about the numbering Andy...I had it totally wrong.
I have found the Upslinkk Business Centre address on another website and they are listed as being number  241D.
I can't say I remember any of those shops you've listed but I'm sure some here will.
As for it being an old market building...I have to say that could well be the case.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 23 January, 2013, 11:44:21 PM
I know it's tantalizing to think this building was a place of entertainment. It is however possible using Google Earth not only see an aerial view of the building but also to measure its length as well. I make it about 50 feet in length which does seem on the small side for a theatre or cinema.

I have however been looking for and old trade or street directory so far without success. If anyone has one that should help determine this building original use.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 24 January, 2013, 09:22:41 AM

As I mentioned in my previous post on January 4th I can only remember the units being used as lock up shops and that goes back to the early 1950s. The trading names that Andy has mentioned are familiar and I think the Post Office that I mentioned occupied 241B prior to Carpex Carpets.
In Brian Evans's book "Bygone East Ham" there is a photograph of the block taken around the turn of the 19th/20th Century and the gables and adjoining building that formed part of The Burnell Arms are clearly visible. On the corner of Tennyson Avenue is a large church but it is difficult to see what lies between that building and The Burnell.
It appears that the Church was destroyed, possibly during the 2nd World War and the Medical Centre and 1960style block of flats in Tennyson Avenue have now taken over the site.
From Google Streetview it appears that the next building where the Ground Floor is now occupied by Wiseman Lee  may well have been the church hall that survived. Unfortunately this building is hidden behind the church in the photograph in Brian Evans's book,
As Mick has pointed out the width of the 3 shop units is only around 50 feet and the depth of the units would be less therefore it would be unlikely that the property would have been a theatre.
I seem to remember that The Burnell had an off licence attached that adjoined the shop units but stood out from the main frontage of the pub itself. I wonder therefore if the 3 units which are only lock ups may have been built to generate some extra income for the owner of The Burnell or if they did at one time form part of a function suite within The Burnell?
Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 25 January, 2013, 04:13:19 PM
 Doug,
Have been following this post with interest.
 
The Building reminds me very much of the little old Cinema in Rathbone Street, visited once with Mum
to see Sylvia Sydney and  James  Fonda  in "They Ride bye Night "   -  Married, poor and Pregnant, in desperate
need of food and cash, he stole from stores every where they could stop.
Caught in the end and imprisoned as was the usual outcome in those days.  (Luvly was ent it Mum? Yes Luv)
               ========================================================
But this is not why I am Posting please tell me where was the BURNELL ? know the name as well as my own but cannot for a whole hour of pondering place it.
Cannot have my afternoon "Cuppa" before I have asked the question.

Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 25 January, 2013, 04:17:47 PM
Louise, The Burnell Arms was the pub on the corner of High St North and Plashet Grove. It has recently been demolished.

(http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/london/pics/e12_burnellarms.JPG)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MrRe on 25 January, 2013, 10:46:46 PM
One of those shop was definately a ladies hair dressers during the 70's.
I had to meet my mum there every Saturday morning to carry the shopping home!
I once went to get the shopping and to my surprise the local hardnut was in there having his hair done. I had to promise not to tell anyone or my life wouldn't be worth living.
Seem to remember it was narrow and long.
I'll see if she can remember it.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 26 January, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
MrRe
The ladies hairdressers occupied one of the "half shop units" to the right in the photo posted by Tony. It would therefore appear to be narrow and long with possibly a maximum width of 8 feet but the full building depth.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MrRe on 26 January, 2013, 10:34:22 PM
That makes sense as I recall it was nearer the pub!
There was an estate agents on the corner of Tennyson as my mother recalls a family friend worked there.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 31 January, 2013, 12:39:06 PM
  MickG,
  Sorry! I missed post have been writing memory (tales) to help someone start up a     
  Web Site.
  Shall tell full story later on as I think it might be interesting ???

  How I ever forgot where the Brunell Arms was I do not know, it was our centre spot 
  for we living in East Ham/Manor Park areas.
  Great Picture and thank you for the info.
 
  Must have been one of those senior moments again which seem to happen more and
  more just lately or it could have been the weather ?(yes think that was it)

  Louise


Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 31 January, 2013, 01:01:13 PM
 

  Tony,

  That frontage "Screams" Theatre,or Entertainnment of some sort.

   Used to go to the Hairdressers that was there , they advertised for
   models for the apprentices to practise on and I went on a few occassions.
   Had a few odd looking trims, but it was free.
   This would be 1948/50.
   
    Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 11 July, 2013, 11:15:40 PM
Have just found this photo of Pans People opening a branch of Granditers. It did state that it's High Street North, West Ham but I'm sure that it is East Ham as it all looks so familiar. And I don't remember West Ham having a High St. North.

Apparently Pans People, the dancers on Top of the Pops were chosen by customers of Granditers menswear shops to the opening ceremony of the new branch. The date was 19th May 1972.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 12 July, 2013, 12:36:42 AM
Great photo Linda  :) - shame about the clothes  :D - did we really wear stuff like that?

I remember pleading with my mum to let me have some platforms. They were wet-look dark purple ones  :-[ - coupled with some flares and a long sleeved black t-shirt with a red-indian done in sequins, (75p from Mr Byrites), I thought I looked the business.  A stainless steel eagle pendant (20 weeks @ 5p a week from John England  :)) set it all off  :D

Mark
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 12 July, 2013, 01:59:31 AM
Great pic....it certainly is in East Ham High Street.
Granditers was at number 122....it is now the Bright House Electrical shop and it stands next door to the HSBC Bank on the corner of Caulfield Road.
The Art Wallpapers shop behind them is now an Iceland.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 12 July, 2013, 07:03:28 AM
Linda Many thanks for posting that photo - great memories. Tony, Looking at Google Street View the former Art Wallpapers shop is now called "Wow Sale" (Don't ask me what they sell). The Iceland Store, is now where Memory's is shown in the photograph. Judging by the flank wall of the neighbouring building it appears that this was a post war build and I think someone asked on the "Memories of East Ham " Facebook group if that was the first supermarket in the High Street.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 12 July, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
I suppose if they mean fully self-service, the first supermarket would have been Safeway? - otherwise Caters?

Does anyone remember in the late 60s in East Ham Safeway store they had a coffee grinding machine? You would buy the beans and grind them yourself before taking them to the checkout. I don't remember my mum using it - I can remember she used to buy Lyons coffee in a green tin and her weekend treat was percolated coffee. I can remember the percolator bubbling away on the gas stove at Bream Gardens.

Mark
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 12 July, 2013, 09:10:02 AM
Mark
My mother worked at Caters in High Street North for a number of years and although it was a double shop unit it was too small to be turned into a "self service" supermarket. You had to use the counters on the right to buy groceries, cheese and dairy products from the counter at the back of the shop and meats from the counter on the left. Biscuits could be purchased from the "island" counter in the middle of the shop. Caters did have some supermarkets such as in Rathbone Market and also Roman Road Bow but not in High Street North.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 12 July, 2013, 09:29:28 AM
Thank you Mark, Tony and Doug for your replies and confirmation that it was East Ham. I couldn't quite read what it said on the shop next to Art Wallpapers, Doug, and I can't recall the supermarket, Memory's. Will have to ask mum.

It was good to see the 70's fashion in the photo and I can imagine Mark how you felt the "bees knees" in your flares and platforms. I loved my platform shoes and had several pairs in different colours.

Also it's nice how these type of photo's show us what shops we were using at the time. I find it especially sad that shops such as Art Wallpapers are disappearing from our High Streets in favour of larger stores.

Wasn't Safeways on the opposite side of the road to Caters Mark near to Woolworths. I too remember mum doing percolated coffee at home. It seemed the "in" thing to do at the time.

Linda

                                                                                                                                                                                           
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 12 July, 2013, 09:42:50 AM
It's funny how our (mine anyway  ;) ) memory moves shops around  :D. I'm sure you are right Linda - and I think our dentist was a bit further up. Funny how shop smells come back to us. I can still remember the savoury smell in Caters. British Home Stores had a 'nice' smell :)

Doug, my mum worked in a different Caters for a while in the 50s. I don't know if this was common practice for food shops, or just Caters, but she said she remembers some of the meat being soaked in red-dyed water to make it look fresher in the window. I don't know if it was dipped or soaked overnight.

Mark

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 12 July, 2013, 11:05:29 AM
Linda, Yes Safeways was a few doors past Woolworths opposite BHS and the Post Office on the corner of Wakefield Street. They took over the unit that was originally Reynolds Cars Showroom and workshop so plenty of space for a supermarket.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: harry on 12 July, 2013, 07:23:19 PM
I can remember going to Granditers in East Ham High street to get a suit made ,and at that time I seem to remember that your measurements were taken and from the back of the shop the basic part of the suit was brought into the shop and your measurements were used to make it suit your size.Ring any bells to anyone or am I dreaming.
I did have a suit made by the same firm in Canning Town, a dark blue suit made with a very heavy material and after wearing it a few times I tried to press the trousers to get the crease back which I found to be difficult and on closer inspection found that inside the trousers behind where the crease would be it was liberally covered with soap to keep the crease,ok until you were out in the rain and got wet,needless  to say no more suits from Granditers,back to Chas Hymans.
Regards Harry I.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 12 July, 2013, 07:35:05 PM
I can remember going there with my older brother, maybe around 1977 when there was a fad for Farah trousers and horrible Gabicci cardigans with diamonds on :)

I am almost certain it was Granditers where I used to buy a quality brand of trousers called GB. The man in the shop proudly told me that they were made in the same factory where M&S trousers were made! (locally I think) - how times have changed  :'(

Mark
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 12 July, 2013, 09:33:15 PM
Thanks Doug I knew you would remember. Spoke to mum today and she remembers shopping in Memory's supermarket.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 28 July, 2013, 11:56:04 PM
I don't know if this has been posted before, but a photo of East Ham Safeway http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3380656.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=2C59C5F2747E9F17E52EE5304B5C8CB4

Mark

I have only posted a link so hopefully OK
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: GeoffM on 29 July, 2013, 01:23:19 PM
Mark

Link didn't work for me said "Access to the web page denied you are not authorised to view the web page at "link"  you may need to sign in ....Error code 403"

Geoff
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 29 July, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
Hi Geoff,

That's odd - I tried it just now and it works for me.

You could try going to the home page of Getty Images (archive section) and search 'Safeway East Ham'.

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/editorialimages/archival

I was thinking of saving the image and posting it on here but worried about Copyright. Picture agencies are quite hot on unauthorised use I would imagine.


Mark

PS - It says 'circa 1960' - I would have thought more like '67?
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: jem45 on 29 July, 2013, 10:36:41 PM
Hi mark

Remind me where was the safeways? I worked in offices that were above argos in the mid 80's and the upstairs windows look like the office wondered if argos replaced safeways? But then again i vaguely remember safeways  ???

Also you mentioning farahs reminded me i knicked the badge off a boyfriends pair and adapted a gonzo of the muppets toy! Cut split in sides of strides and attached the badge! Still got gonzo somewhere  :D
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 29 July, 2013, 10:59:53 PM
I think they still sell Farahs in Matalan :) - not sure if they still have a 'permapress' (or whatever they call it) crease  :D


Safeway was opposite what was Wakefield Street http://goo.gl/maps/iltjT

Now Poundworld - not to be confused with Poundland a few doors up  :D


Mark

Jayne, I don't remember an Argos in East Ham. I know in some towns they took over Green Shield Stamp showrooms. Probably a false memory, but I remember going to a Green Shield stamp place when I was small and for some reason I remember it as being next to, or close to C&A  :-[ - maybe someone can enlighten us  :D
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 30 July, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Does anyone remember George's ladies wear just a few doors away from East Ham station?

I would love to see a photo of this shop.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 30 July, 2013, 01:04:26 PM
Hello Rennay,

Standing outside the Station are you going down the Hill to the  LEFT that makes your shop on the corner of Heigham Road?
(opposite Burgess Road.)Saved up for 3wks. to buy a small wreath type hat made of all blue small flowers. I WAS QUEEN!
A dear friend took a photograph of me in this CREATION and I immediatley gave it to the children for dressing up.

Or are you going down Hill to the right passing (in your day) C&A's crossing the Road to Larkins and next door was my favourite shop (Name has gone.)  I think one side had ladies delicate garments a bit pricey,? and the other side the most georgous 1948/9
full skirted shirt dresses with wide belts. (Could wear them in those days).
Mine was beige with a shiny beigy/tanny belt that had a meddalion on the buckle.

There was also in my day OPPOSITE the Staion a shop that used to sell the most beautiful blouses, expensive but looked great on I managed two in my time and the white one tied at the neck with a big floppy tie, and the other Red & White spotted.

Rennay it was not always the money that held us back but at this time garments were still on Coupons.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 30 July, 2013, 01:33:14 PM

A dear friend took a photograph of me in this CREATION and I immediatley gave it to the children for dressing up.


 ;D Love it  ;D


Mark


Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 30 July, 2013, 04:19:32 PM
Hi Jayne and Mark

If you look back on this thread to 15th November 2011, Doug printed a list of all the shops in East Ham High St as he remembered them. I just had a look and he said in the 1950's on the southern corner of Caledon Road was a furnishing store called Easterns. When it closed it became Green Shield Redemption Shop and after that Argos.

We spoke about Safeways earlier this month and as Mark said it was opposite Wakefield Street and used to be Reynolds Car Showrooms and Workshop.

Rennay
I can't remember the name but as you came out of East Ham Station and turned right towards Manor Park. You crossed over Sibley Grove and a couple of shops along was a lovely clothes shop. I bought a black three quarters coat with fur trimmed cuffs and collar in the early 1970's in there. Still have it in the wardrobe!! Would probably be classed as vintage now! Would this be the shop you mean?

Linda

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: jem45 on 30 July, 2013, 05:36:00 PM
That was it linda thank you. Entrance to our office was on caledon road i think. It was barbican motor policies shut down in 1988.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: GeoffM on 30 July, 2013, 06:48:22 PM
Hi Mark

Yes tried going straight to site and typing Safeway East Ham and found it straight away and do remember that Safeways. I did try your link again first but it still didn't work though.

Geoff
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 30 July, 2013, 07:42:41 PM
Hi Geoff,

I'm not at all techy, so no idea why the link doesn't work for you. Not sure if it worked for others. It still works for me  ???

Hi Linda,

Thanks for the info. It shows that false memory does exist as I really thought the Green Shield Stamp showroom was past C&A  ???  :D

As for Argos taking over the showroom, I think that happened all over. I wonder if Argos is owned by te same company that owned Green Shield Stamps. (I seem to remember in the 80s that Koo Stark married the heir to Green Shield Stamps.)

Mark
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: harry on 30 July, 2013, 08:25:56 PM
I returned to school one day after a short walk along East Ham high street and had a chat to my class teacher Mr Davey about music ,and after this short chat it was decided that I had quite an interest in stringed instruments.
The first one I tried was the Harp,but had to give that up because I just did,nt have the pluck.
The next two I tried were the Piano and the Guitar,I settled on the Guitar even though it was a lot more difficult to play than the Piano,It was a lot easier to carry.
Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: nellanhoj on 30 July, 2013, 09:13:32 PM
I returned to school one day after a short walk along East Ham high street and had a chat to my class teacher Mr Davey about music ,and after this short chat it was decided that I had quite an interest in stringed instruments.
The first one I tried was the Harp,but had to give that up because I just did,nt have the pluck.
The next two I tried were the Piano and the Guitar,I settled on the Guitar even though it was a lot more difficult to play than the Piano,It was a lot easier to carry.
Regards Harry.I.

Harry, Harry!  Harry! That was terrible!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D but appreciated.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 31 July, 2013, 12:52:40 PM
Hi Linda and ex C H I'm sure it was actually on the hill of the station. You came out of the station and turned right towards Manor Park and it was a few shops down from the station itself. It sold ladies underwear and knitwear ... quite expensive and Mr George the owner was a lovely man. I worked there as a Saturday girl when I was 17. He was a good employer.

 :D
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 01 August, 2013, 01:56:45 PM

Rennay that description gives me again the shop where I bought the WREATH (They did not sell Millinery only as accessories.)1or2 shops down again to-wards MPk. there was a Shop which sold all things to do with Motor Cycles, Bicycles etc.,
OVER THE TOP WAS "THE NEWCASTLE TRUST LTD" where I worked for a short spell to fill a Clerk at War position.
THis is why I was able to admire so much in the windows during lunch hours etc. including the wreath.

Going further down just a few steps  we come to a very Up Market Shop that sold the likes of Garments such as Linda speaks of
Berkertex for Woolens, Kayser Bondor for frillies and Stockings plus other famous names of the time.
The frontage on this shop was very much like the shop you was a Saturday Girl in (by my records 1957/8) you did in the end find the name of this shop but it took I believe several entries from old diaries to locate it. Was it a friend that helped in the end ???
By walking down from the Station for this few minutes we come to Lyons Corner House ???

Sorry Rennay I have no photographs of  these 2 shops spoken of and I know that is what you want.
Louise
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: alffox on 01 August, 2013, 07:51:30 PM
Since the beginnings of Argos around the start of the 1980's they have had a number of owners - the stores came about when Green Shield (owned by Tim Jeffries?) could not meet their commitments and approximately 15 Green Shield shops were taken over by a group of former employees - I worked with a number of them when I joined Argos in 1981.  The Company had a store in Ilford Broadway along with a number of others and I do believe the one in East Ham that correctly was the old Furniture store started in a small number of rooms up above the furniture shop mentioned.     They enjoyed a lot of success and Argos was bought out by the British American Tobacco Company (BAT) - later sold to Great Universal Stores (GUS) and the current owner is Home Retail Group who have around 400 or more stores in the country.     When I began with the Company there were stores in Talza Arcade - Southend. Romford Market soon came on board.   Near Harrison Gibsons in Ilford High Road,  Walthamstow High Street and East Ham High Street.      Now you can find Argos stores everywhere you travel - currently 2 in Southend, 1 at Rayleigh Weir, 2 in Basildon, 2 in Lakeside Thurrock, 1 in Romford, 1 in Chelmsford.   Catalogues in the early days were about half an inch thick but too heavy to carry now.   Still going strong after 33 years - I worked for them for 15 years - taking early retirement from the Lakeside Shopping Centre "Superstore" (of which there was only two in Essex)  - now 75% of them are "Superstores".

Alffox.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 01 August, 2013, 08:18:39 PM
I had a Christmas job with them once. It was 1981 or 1982 - at the Shepherds Bush store. I can honestly say, I don't remember enjoying a job as much :)(apart from the looped xmas music!  :D )- then appliances came without a plug and we had to ask people if they wanted a plug, batteries or whatever. I remember an old lady came in and bought a fan heater. I asked her if she wanted a plug with it. She said yes but she didn't know how to put one on. I told her to leave it with me and I would put it on in my lunch break (it was the busy xmas period so I couldn't do it there & then) She came back later and I gave it to her and was really pleased with myself (I was only 19). About an hour later she came back in. She said thank you for putting the plug on but I think there is something wrong. I looked and I had put the lead through the carrying handle before putting the plug on  :-[ - it still would have worked but probably not very safe (the plug was too large to go through the carrying handle  :D )

Mark

I remember the assistant manager was a keen photographer and a few of us used the shop when it was closed as a cat walk to do 'modelling' in our New Romantic outfits  ;D - one of the girls went on to become a TV Presenter after that.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 03 August, 2013, 12:05:17 PM
Reenay

The ladies clothes shop "Georges" was situated on the east side of High Street North between East Avenue and Sibley Grove. Lyons Tea Shop was on the corner of East Avenue and "Georges" was a double unit next door where Nationwide Building Society is now. Also in that block was Simmons the Bakers. My mother works at Georges for a couple of years in the mid 1950s.
On the opposite side of the High Street Pilgrims Travel Agents was on the corner of Plashet Grove and next door was a butchers called Carters and then a few shops along Buttreys which sold wool and embroidery materials.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: EX CUSTOM HOUSE on 03 August, 2013, 01:20:23 PM

Doug such a good description and I agree with you entirely.

I come unstuck  sometimes with the names of Avenues&Streets,after all this time.

Strange I have often remembered that shop before Rennay's query.  They sold to me very expensive fashions
with such famous Brand Names of the time.  I always thought that one day may-be I should be able to buy from there a
pair of Kayser-Bonder Stockings  ::)

However did not dream it would have a name like" Georges" :o  and it was not on the Station Hill as Rennay thought.

Louise.

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Rennay on 04 August, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
Thanks Doug and Louise ... my memory is drifting ....  :D

I remember Mrs George too and another Saturday person who was great fun and she would regale me with stories of her adventures in her car .... i was most impressed as it was quite rare for a woman to have her own car in the fifties ... she was in her thirties and single.
I also remember that I was sick one Saturday and I turned up at the shop and Mr George sent me straight home with my wages. That was really decent of him as he didn't have to do that.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 04 August, 2013, 06:26:29 PM
Hi Rennay

 I wonder if from Doug's description if it was Georges where I bought my coat. The shop where I bought it was in the section between Sibley Grove and East Avenue. Did your Georges sell coats? This would have been in the early 70s so it's possible it may have changed hands by then.

Doug

Am I right in remembering a shop near to Buttery's called Salmons? They sold ladies clothing and I remember buying a cardigan in there in the early 1960's. I was wondering if this may have been one of the shops that Louise remembers.

Linda

 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 04 August, 2013, 09:25:04 PM
Linda

As you can imagine I wasn't really into Ladies Clothes Shops but seem to recall that there was one on the corner of Milton Avenue that might be the one that Louise remembers. I have no idea what it was called.
So far as Georges is concerned I cannot remember when the shop closed down but would be surprised if they traded into the 1970s.
Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: TBrooks on 18 August, 2013, 03:49:14 PM
"The unit on the corner of Thorpe Road was originally a Supermarket (possibly Tesco)" - I think that the supermarket was Victor Value and they gave Pink stamps.

Regarding the Co-op, there were local co-ops as well, one was on the corner of Alexandra Road and Charlemont Road and that shop also had the overhead tube system for sending payment to the office and getting change back.

Regarding the High Street, somewhere I have a photo of my brother and I  holding small monkeys which were used by a street photographer who worked outside Woolworths - anyone else got one? 

There was also Foster Brothers of course the outfitters that was the sole supplier to East Ham Grammar School pupils for everything from the fountain pen to the satchel
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: JEP on 18 August, 2013, 06:30:29 PM
Tony

Thanks for reminding me about Fosters the EHGS outfitters - I can well remember getting my uniform there and my parents and I having to carry all the parcels home wrapped up with brown paper and neatly tied string ! As you said they supplied everything you required aand it was only a couple of years ago that my faithfull " Osmiroid" fountain pen finally gave up the ghost ! I can recall that I was in Faraday house and Fosters had run out of Blazer badges in that red colour so for a month or so we had no badges on our coats and "Old Joe " Whiteley was very upset and actually phoned the shop to chase them up!

Cheers

Jack
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 16 February, 2015, 11:58:10 PM
I know this is an old thread. I saw this photo for the first time tonight. It was taken in Jerome's in 1944. It is my Aunt Doris with her young sister, my Aunt Maureen (2 of my dad's sisters)

Great photo :) http://i.imgur.com/0GjppyR.jpg"
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 17 February, 2015, 03:41:56 PM
Hi Mark

What a lovely photo of your aunts. Something to treasure.

Jeromes seemed to have been very popular and I have quite a few family photos that have been taken there and handed down to me.I have two photos of my great grandmother and my nan taken during the Second World War, sitting by a table looking at photo's of my dad and uncle in uniform. In nans one she is reading a letter from my dad. This type of photograph seems typical of the time and the photographer must have spent some time getting the pose just right.

It was nice to see the East Ham High Street thread again and I have been looking through the various posts. Especially nice to read Louise's memories of the various shops. She contributed so much to this and lots of other topics on the Forum.

Linda

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MBrennan on 28 February, 2015, 02:05:42 AM
It is a great photo Linda. I only remember my aunt Doris as being much older. My Aunt Doris & Uncle Jim got one of the flats in Marlow Road in the late '50s when they were built, after living in one of the Beckton gasworks houses. Doris was still living in the flat when she died a couple of years ago  I agree with you about missing Louise's posts.

Mark
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 27 August, 2015, 07:59:33 PM
I've just become aware that another of the "old" East Ham Shops, Phillips the Jewellers between Kempton and Thorpe Roads in High Street North is Closing Down after 107 years.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 27 August, 2015, 08:18:14 PM
What a shame Doug. I remember my Nan buying me a signet ring in there when I was young. What an achievement to have stayed open so long.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 08 September, 2015, 10:19:59 AM
I recently found the photo below listed as a greengrocers in High St North East Ham taken in 1925. I was wondering if anyone might know where in the High St this was.

Boots the Chemist can be seen next door. I remember a branch of Boots being on the corner of Lathom Road for many years but wonder if it would have been there in 1925.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 08 September, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Linda,

I checked the 1925 telephone directory and found a branch of Boots Chemists at 162 High Street North in 1925. The current 162 is on the left corner of Lathom Road when faced for High St North.

However the bay windows on the first floor in the picture do not match the more square bay windows of the current building at this location. However the slanted sides of the bay windows do match buildings on the other side of Lathom Road so I expected there may have been a bit of building renumbering since then.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 08 September, 2015, 11:07:19 AM
Thank you Mick for your prompt reply. I have printed a photo below of Spire Terrace which is the name of the block of shops from Lathom Road to Burges Road taken in 1972. This shows Boots on the corner of Lathom Road. As you say the windows are different but could have been rebuilt especially after the war years.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 08 September, 2015, 01:17:37 PM
Linda, I must admit that I can only ever remember Boots being on the corner of Lathom Road during the time I lived in East Ham many years ago although I now see that they have moved down the High Street towards Skeffington Road and they have an opticians near Caulfield Road which was originally Dolland and Aitchinson. I do not think the bays of the upper floors would have been altered even after War Damage and I would guess the square bayed windows of the upper floors of the shops between Burges Road and Lathom Road are "As Built". As Mick says it is possible that a change in the numbering of the properties has occurred over the years although there are blocks of shops with the small single window angled bay opposite in the block between Heigham Road and Bendish Road and also further down the High Street where Caters used to be.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 08 September, 2015, 04:59:09 PM
Thank you Doug for your reply. I think you and Mick are probably right.

 A nice photo of a well stocked greengrocers.


 The last time I was in East Ham I also noticed that Boots had moved further down the High Street.

Regards
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 09 September, 2015, 11:17:45 PM
The greengrocers picture has me intrigued.....Here's why.
My grandfather Tommy was born in 1899 in Stratford and met my nan in 1919 when she was living in The Warren,  behind the Three Rabbits Pub in Manor Park. They married in 1921 and after a year in Herbert Road Manor Park they moved to 400 High Street North....They didn't have the shop, just the flat above. When Tommy lived in Stratford he left school and went straight into the greengrocery game starting with a stall in Angel Lane market.....When my dad was alive he used to tell me that his dad ended up opening three fruit and veg shops.....One in George Lane Woodford, another in Green Lane Becontree and one half a mile from his home in High Street North.....I was always told it was the other side of East Ham Station just down the road from the old East Ham Palace which is exactly where this one is!!.....The date, 1925 would be about right too.
He employed around 6 or 7 blokes at the three shops and always had a few bob. I know he isn't one of the chaps outside the shop but can't help thinking that it was possibly his. His real surname was the same as mine (Quinlan) but he traded (for tax reasons I was told) under the name of Fox.
Sadly, all that side of my family are no longer with us so I can't show the pic to any of them for confirmation but I just have a really strong feeling that this was indeed his shop.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 10 September, 2015, 08:26:49 AM
Hi Tony
Well it certainly sounds as if it could be your granddad's shop. Mick checked with the 1925 telephone directory as to the address of Boots so I wonder if he would be able to look under the name of Fox for you.

Fingers crossed it is and if you need a clearer photo I can send you an email.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 10 September, 2015, 09:18:40 AM
I did try looking up Tony's relatives in the telephone directory both under the name Fox and Quinlan but without success. However I would not think this was unusual in 1925 as telephones were still not widely in use at that time. I never did find a entry for Boot's other than the 162 High Street North location and that first appeared in 1924. Prior to that date, Boot's were shown as only having two branches in East London.

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 10 September, 2015, 10:04:47 AM
Thank you Mick. As you say not many people would have had telephones in those days. I suppose the only other record would be the electoral registers but I wonder as Tony's grandfather didn't live on the shop's premises whether he would be listed there.

I think the electoral registers for Essex would be at the Chelmsford Essex Record Office which is now available online. Or they may be available at Newham Archives in Stratford Library.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 10 September, 2015, 08:36:56 PM
Although I do not have access to them, I would have thought trade directories like Kelly's would prove more positive.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 10 September, 2015, 09:08:04 PM
Thanks for your comments Linda and Mick....I may well follow up and do some research through your suggestions.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: GEORGIAN on 12 September, 2015, 11:51:11 AM
hello Linda C,.

Having read through your Eastham high street ,replies, which to me is amazing reading of the many memories that the forum members recall, a step back in time, all great to read about, how ever  I wonder simply out of curiosity, whether or not the indoor market is still there, and also the market place  too,  which I think was on a hill near the railway station,

The last time I went there must have been over sixty years ago,   

many regards to you,

GEORGIAN,


 
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 12 September, 2015, 12:41:25 PM
Georgian, East Ham Shopping Hall is still there and open but probably not so good as the days which most of us recall. You mention about the market place being on the hill near the station. I can never remember any market stalls being near East Ham Station and think you may be confusing it with Queens Road Market next to Upton Park Station.
Dougt
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 13 September, 2015, 12:02:18 PM
Hello Georgian

I was pleased to hear that you had enjoyed reading all the posts about East Ham High Street. There has been an amazing response from the members and as you say so enjoyable to read all their memories.

As Doug said East Ham Shopping Hall is still there. I used to love wandering in there and looking at all the stalls and having a cuppa with nan in the café just inside the entrance. I also can't remember a market place on the hill near the station and think like Doug that you are probably thinking of Queens Road Market.

Regards
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 22 September, 2015, 08:44:18 AM
This photo was posted on one of the Newham related Facebook Groups. Despite thinking that I had a reasonable knowledge of shops in High Street North I could not remember Tesco ever trading from the unit where W H Smith has been for many years. It seems the photo was taken shortly before Tesco moved to the shop on the corner of Thorpe Road which I think is still MacDonalds.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 22 September, 2015, 12:55:31 PM
I have been scanning the telephone books for the 1960's and cannot find a Tesco in East Ham at all. I wonder if this picture is actually High St North?
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 22 September, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
I have spoken to mum and she remembers that there was a Tesco shop on the left hand side going up the High St. She cannot remember the exact location though.

I can only remember WH Smiths being there. Mum is visiting a friend today who used to live in East Ham and she is going to ask her.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 22 September, 2015, 02:23:48 PM
Mick and Linda
I am sure the photo is of High Street North opposite Caulfield Road.  I have checked Google Streetview and the roof line is identical. I have recently seen a later photo of the shops (WH Smith and Dolcis) but cannot find it when you need it.

Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 22 September, 2015, 02:42:47 PM
I think this may be the photo you are thinking of Doug

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Alf still on 22 September, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
 Hi Doug T
                Yes there was a Tesco's in the High St. North where that photo was taken,my sister who lived in Hartley Ave which is right near the High St remembers being there on the day it opened, I can also remember shopping in there when me and my wife and two boys use to do our shopping  on a Saturday well mostly window shopping. I think it may have been one of the firstTesco Supermarkets to open.
                                                  Regards       ALF
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 22 September, 2015, 03:00:17 PM
That was the photo. Thanks Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: Tony Quinlan on 22 September, 2015, 04:30:03 PM
Hi Georgian.....here's a great pic of Queens Road Market next door to Upton Park Station, taken in May 1967.

(http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/16/11/23/28/queens10.jpg)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 22 September, 2015, 04:50:16 PM
I have now found two separate addresses in the telephone directory for Tesco in High St North but not in the 1960's. In 1971 26 High St North is shown and this is now a McDonalds n the corner of Thorpe Road. The other address in the early 1980's is 262 High St North E12 and this is located between Gladstone & Kensington Ave.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 22 September, 2015, 06:36:32 PM
Mick

The supermarket at 26, High Street North has been the subject of a thread on one of the FB sites. Tesco were obviously on the verge of moving as per the notice in the notice in the photo that I posted earlier.  I really don't like to say that an address in the telephone directory is incorrect but 262 High Street North was occupied by a Toy and Model shop for many years BB Electric and then became the Hammers Steak House. Tesco had a supermarket in the next block between Gladstone Avenue and East Avenue  possibly No 242 which was still a supermarket until quite recently but is now a 99p store
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 22 September, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
Doug, The earlier entry clearly was a misprint in the telephone directory. The 1982 directory shows 232 High St North which is as you say now a 99p store. I suppose with directories the size of the London Telephone Directory is there is no way they are going to reprint them and replace them other than wait until the next issue.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 22 September, 2015, 11:40:18 PM
I came across this 1940 picture of a fire engine attending a Fire in a shop at 220/218 High Street North. The picture is currently for sale on Ebay and can be found at;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/London-EAST-HAM-Fire-Brigade-at-Shop-Fire-220-High-St-North-Real-Photo-/262053142549 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/London-EAST-HAM-Fire-Brigade-at-Shop-Fire-220-High-St-North-Real-Photo-/262053142549)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjQ1WDEwMjQ=/z/uBEAAOSwEetV-vAH/$_57.JPG)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 23 September, 2015, 07:22:48 AM
Thanks for posting that photo Mick. I had seen it yesterday but never got round to posting it on the forum. I don't think the fascia sign for Simmons changed from the time of the photo until they closed down and re-opened as Beautymans probably in the late 1970s/early 80s. Interesting to see that the crowd is standing in an orderly fashion in close proximity of the fire - no doubt today there would be a 50 yard cordon in place manned by what seems to be half the Met Police!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 23 September, 2015, 08:54:11 AM
Thank you Tony and Mick for posting those wonderful photographs.

I have found another one on e bay of High Street North East Ham but unfortunately the photo is too large for me to print. It looks like it might be nearer the Town Hall near to Thorpe Road and costs £14 for the postcard. I will try later to see if I can re-size it.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 23 September, 2015, 09:14:57 AM
Linda,

When replying to a message, if you click of the left icon of the second row the letters IMG will appear in your post. By copy and pasting the web address of the picture which will end in JPG,
between the right and left square brackets, the full size picture will automatically appear in your post.

This is what I did with the picture above.

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 23 September, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
Thanks Mick will have another go. It's a bit small I obviously didn't get it quite right.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 23 September, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Linda, I have done it for you.

It's a really great picture and although undated, given the dress style and the fact tram lines and cables can also be see in the picture, I would estimate the date to be about 1910.

As this is an item on sale, it seems to me only right to add the link where it can be purchased.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/High-Street-North-East-Ham-RP-nr-Barking-/121753703783?hash=item1c59161567 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/High-Street-North-East-Ham-RP-nr-Barking-/121753703783?hash=item1c59161567)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAxMFgxNjAw/z/BiMAAOSwBahVR5oh/$_57.JPG)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 23 September, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
Great photo Linda (assisted by Mick). Taken from opposite Thorpe Road looking northwards towards the station.  The pawnbrokers sign belongs to Fish Brothers and The Cock Hotel is the "white building" on the right hand side of the road
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda c on 23 September, 2015, 12:14:58 PM
Thank you Mick for enlarging the photo. (I will have to have some lessons!!). As you and Doug say it's a lovely photo and I thought about the early 1900's looking at the clothes. Thank you Doug for confirming the location.

It is interesting to see these old postcards and I can imagine my great grandmother walking along there doing her shopping.

Thank you also for adding the link Mick to e bay.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ksmoore78 on 16 November, 2015, 01:39:02 PM
I came across this message board whilst doing some ancestry research. After reading mostly all of this very interesting thread, there seems to be some excellent knowledge of East Ham High Street. But I never found the info I was looking for.

So I was wondering if any members could help me. My Great grandmothers relatives lived at 84 High Street North in the 1911 Census. They ran a Grocers (Not a greengrocers from what I can make out) from this time till into the 50's. I was trying to find out if the grocers was at 84 High Street North or they just lived there and the shop was elsewhere. My Aunt remembers going to the shop on the High street just not where. The family were the Taylors, so maybe the shop was known by this name too.

Thanks,
Keith
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 16 November, 2015, 01:54:51 PM
There is an entry in the 1935 London Telephone Directory for a G A Taylor Prvsns, ( I assume that is provisioners). 84 High St North Telephone GRAngwood 0476.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ksmoore78 on 16 November, 2015, 02:13:40 PM
Thank you MickG. That's exactly what I was looking for, it was George Albert Taylor who ran the shop. And he is down as a provisions merchant in the 1911 census. I will have a look around the internet to see if there is any more info on the shop.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 16 November, 2015, 02:45:10 PM
Assuming that there has been no re-numbering in the intervening years 84 High Street North is in the block between Skeffington Road and Caledon Road (Between what was Woolworths and the Argos shop)
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ehmahh on 14 December, 2015, 10:31:19 AM
Hi Doug and Linda. That store I believe was Davants and Max Bygraves opened it.

Does anyone think the photo attached is the Davants in question? I am trying to find location, its my grandfather in the photo and he is no longer with us. Any information appreciated!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 14 December, 2015, 07:53:49 PM
Davants was a large furniture store situated in High Street North just past Wakefield Street going towards the station opposite Caledon Road. The shop comprised possibly 5 or 6 single shop units so it is not the "Davants" shown in the photo on the previous post. The bus stop shown in the photo is what was known as a "Compulsory" Bus Stop where all buses had to stop whether or not requested by passengers. In High Street North the Bus stops serving North and Southbound buses at East Ham Station were compulsory but the next bus stops going towards the Town Hall, outside W H Smith and opposite The Cock (Northbound) and outside Easterns (now Argos) (Southbound) were both Request Stops. The next stop southbound just before the Town Hall was a Compulsory Stop but I do not recognise the shops in the background as being in that location. The numbering of the shops in the photo is unclear but if it was that location the numbers would be between 20 and 30. The shop on the right appears to have a very plain and sparsely dressed window and my first thought. was that it could be an undertakers. "Davants" seems to have a lot of posters/advertising in the window so may be a newagent/tobacconist but the shop to it's left seems quite small as if it may be a half unit. I'm not convinced that the photo was taken in High Street North but perhaps someone will prove me wrong!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 14 December, 2015, 10:57:56 PM
I have been looking up the telephone directories to see where Davant's had premises located. Judging by the look of the photograph I have been looking around the 1945-1955 era.

Davanrt's had two premises in High St North, One at number 11 and the other at 197. The latter is located on the bridge at East Ham Station and given the flat road surface,, that one can be clearly eliminated. Number 11 is down to memory as that location has been redeveloped. Their main building was at 124 Middlesex St E1. That is a possibility but again he area has been heavily redeveloped.

The only other thing I can think of is the building to the left of Davant's which looks something like a bank. From the picture it is not possible to make out the name, but then this site only accepts low size and therefore low quality pictures. It may however be possible to make out the name of the building from the original picture using a magnifying glass, If this is possible then it might be possible to look up the location(s) of this company/bank to see if they coincide with any of the Davant's locations.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ehmahh on 15 December, 2015, 10:36:55 AM
I have been looking up the telephone directories to see where Davant's had premises located. Judging by the look of the photograph I have been looking around the 1945-1955 era.

Davanrt's had two premises in High St North, One at number 11 and the other at 197. The latter is located on the bridge at East Ham Station and given the flat road surface,, that one can be clearly eliminated. Number 11 is down to memory as that location has been redeveloped. Their main building was at 124 Middlesex St E1. That is a possibility but again he area has been heavily redeveloped.

The only other thing I can think of is the building to the left of Davant's which looks something like a bank. From the picture it is not possible to make out the name, but then this site only accepts low size and therefore low quality pictures. It may however be possible to make out the name of the building from the original picture using a magnifying glass, If this is possible then it might be possible to look up the location(s) of this company/bank to see if they coincide with any of the Davant's locations.

Unfortunately, i don't think i can get a copy of the original, this photo i have is a photo of a photo! Which is a shame. Maybe this is not the Davants that was in East Ham.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 31 March, 2016, 08:08:27 AM
Way back in 2011 I started this topic by asking if anyone remembered the name of the drapers on the corner of High Street North/Barking Road and Doug replied that it was Hawkins.

I have recently been looking at the excellent Newham Photos website and found a photo of the closing down sale of Hawkins in 1972.

The site is www.newhamphotos.com/p855282161/h2AB72BC6

 

Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DJ on 31 March, 2016, 09:37:55 AM
Looking at the old high street photo there are what looks like double yellow lines in the road. I wonder what they were.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 31 March, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
If you magnify the picture it can be seen that what looks like double yellow lines are in fact two rows of cobbles. The road surface is still basically earth at this time as can be seen by the tracks left by things like carts. The tram lines ae reinforced by cobbles in the centre of the road. I am not certain why this was done but I suspect it was either connected with reinforcing the kerb line or possibly protection drainage pipes below the soft earth surface.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 04 May, 2016, 02:33:17 PM
I have found an old photograph of Joslins Drapers opposite the Denmark pub in High St North East Ham.

I'm not sure of the year of the photo but Joslins later became Hawkins which closed down in 1972.

Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 04 May, 2016, 05:29:48 PM
This is the photo that I tried to post a month ago following other posts regarding Davants. This shows the Davants Funiture Store that I remember on the west side of High Street North just before The Gaumont/Premier
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 02 June, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
Hello Folks. I discovered by chance that the Newham Story board appears to have been restored and hopefully is functioning again.

I am sending this message on the topic thread of East Ham High Street as I know many people contributed to it in the past, that if the automated email system is still functioning, then again hopefully more people can be made aware of the boards apparent return.

The main page is at http://www.newhamstory.co.uk/index.php but I did have to log in again. My old username and password still functioned however.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 02 June, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
Hi Mick
Thank you for letting us know that the Forum is up and running again. Let's hope all the members are informed.
Regards
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 22 August, 2018, 02:23:56 PM
Linda mentioned a photograph she posted of Joslin's on the corner of High Street North and Barking Road. Unfortunately the facility which showed previously attached pictures is still not working. I did however recently come across the picture below which may be the one Linda mentioned.

High Street North - junction of Barking Road
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Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 23 August, 2018, 08:04:53 AM
Thank you Mick, yes that is the photo. It's a shame that the photo facility isn't back to normal. I think there would be more activity on the site if members could post photos.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: dave twitchett on 30 August, 2018, 07:57:04 PM
 I am surprised by all the eulogies for the East Ham Coop. I recall they sold bicycles as well. Fine building admittedly and Santa was good but in general I despaired of the CO-Op for their habit of buying up excellent  stores and then closing them. Remember J. R. Roberts and Bearmans. They both became Co-ops and the standards dropped until closure. I was sad when Bearmans was taken over by Co-op and later closed it was a quality shop. Sincerely Dave T
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: poppy show on 03 September, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
Hi  not many Department stores left now, my one was Boardmans Stratford  i think the dome is still there?, the one i use now is Roomes Of Upminster , which i think started life down green street , upton park shutting down in 1935.
 Poppy Show
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 04 September, 2018, 08:10:11 AM
Hi Poppy show, I also shop at the Upminster Roomes store. The Green Street store opened in 1888. They have a website showing the history of the store with lots of photographs at www.roomes.co
Best wishes
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: poppy show on 07 September, 2018, 09:10:31 PM
Hi  Linda  i had a look on Roomes website very interesting. i also remember Bearmens Department Store with the Rialto Cinema next door, Frank Bearman jointly owned with J W Holdron the store Allders, J W Holdron had a store in Peckham,called Holdrons shut now but the buildings still there ,i went there to see the fantastic Art deco ceiling  worth googling,another store i remember as a kid was a drapers shop called sweets at maryland point it had the money on a track going to the cashier sitting in the office,i think the buildings still there but dont know what is now.
Poppy
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 09 September, 2018, 08:05:36 PM
Hi Poppy, I don't remember much about the shops in Stratford as I lived in East Ham and only went occasionally to Stratford. We did have a shop in East Ham called Hawkins which was a drapers and they had the overhead cash system that you mentioned. The photo that Mick printed on an earlier post on this thread shows Joslins which later became Hawkins.
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 11 September, 2018, 12:00:33 PM
Another picture of High Street North in 1914 looking north with the Ruskin Arms on the right. This aspect of the road has changed very little over the past century.

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Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 11 September, 2018, 03:53:30 PM
What a lovely photo Mick. I seem to remember there was a shoe shop called Capons that was on the opposite side to The Ruskin. I think it was on the corner of Strone Road. This would have been in the 1950/60s.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 15 September, 2018, 12:31:32 PM
Thanks for posting that photo Mick. I hadn't seen it before and initially it "threw me" as I couldn't remember the bend in the road at the end of the buildings on the left to be so significant. Like Linda I remember Capons and the pain of having to be taken there to get shoes in the 1950s. Also along that stretch in the shops on the left was a barbers, really can't call it a hairdressers, called Greens where I was also dragged as youngster for a short back and sides. Remember being sat on a box on top of a big chair and being held in a neck lock by the barber as he hacked at your hair!
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: burnsy on 16 September, 2018, 03:35:54 PM
Interesting to see a close-up of shopfronts with those side blinds.
As a teenager I had a saturday job in a hardware store opposite the Granada cinema (the chamois leather shop). The shop still used those old blinds and put a pavement display of goods out. My first job of the day was to sort the blinds out. First, pull down the top blind on a roller with a large pole which had a hook on the end. Once retrieved from the back of the shop and unrolled, the side blinds had to be hooked into an eye at the top of the roller blind. The hook on the side blind was on the end of about 10feet of 2x2 which was fixed to one side. Once hooked in, the sides were tied to the front corner of the roller blind and the back edge tied at various points to the wall of the shop. At the end of the day, the blinds were removed, laid down on the pavement and rolled up, much to the annoyance of the bus queue outside.
Manhandling those huge canvas and timber side blinds was quiet tricky for this weedy 15 year old.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 02 October, 2018, 10:07:07 AM
This is another picture of the Barking Road/Hight Street South junction. Although undated, it is probably early 1900's. East Ham Corporation started running trams in 1901 and as there is an existing tram in the picture, it must be soon after that date. This looks like an extension of the track system being laid toward the docks.

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Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 04 October, 2018, 12:52:45 PM
Thank you for printing this photograph again Mick. You can just make out the Hawkins sign on the shop at the back, the subject of which started this post many moons ago.
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 05 October, 2018, 08:57:06 PM
Linda, I am somewhat surprised that the "Hawkins" sign is so clear on the photo posted by Mick. It certainly looks like the 1901 era as the tram lines are being laid however this does raise a question. We have seen the photo of the same building with "Joslins" trading from it which appears to have been taken in the 1920s as the tramlines are laid in the road so did Hawkins originally trade from the shop before it was taken over by Joslins and subsequently trade again from the shop at a later date?
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 05 October, 2018, 09:26:57 PM
Doug, I must admit I wondered the same. I haven't been able to find any information on Joslins on the internet as to the dates they were in East Ham. I'll keep on trying though.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ed styles on 06 October, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
Hi all ,
 wouid I be right in thinking in the last photo along the Barking Rd 66 years after that photo was taken there was a very well known Tailor Lew Rose  who made my 3 piece Wedding gear it would be nice to add a fairytale end and say it s still hanging in my wardrobe but alas its not . In 59 -60 I had a saturday job in one of the Television shops up the High st on the right hand side but can't remember which one Linda or Doug help me out
All the best Ed
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 06 October, 2018, 10:17:24 PM
Hi Ed
I think I remember someone mentioning that Lew Rose, the tailor was in the Barking Road opposite the Town Hall. Also I think Radio Rentals was in High Street North. Hopefully Doug will know as he's the expert on shops in East Ham.
Hope all is well with you.
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: DougT on 07 October, 2018, 09:59:16 PM
Hi Ed,
I couldn't remember Lew Rose in Barking Road opposite the Town Hall but back in 2011 there was a post on this group concerning "Newham Tailors" and 2 people mentioned that Lew Rose was in Barking Road opposite the Town Hall so I guess it was in the parade between Times Furnishing and the corner of Keppel Road.
Also to say that some time ago you mentioned that you worked in the Ideal Radio Repair Shop in High Street North which was situated opposite the Black Lion just past Clements Road. You also said that you purchased Marilyn's Wedding Ring from Empire Bullion which was next door. Both closed down many years ago so it is too late to get a refund on the ring! Please pass on my love to Marilyn!
Kind Regards
Doug
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 07 October, 2018, 10:14:57 PM
I looked up Lew Rose in the 1959 telephone directory and Ed is quite right about the building in the photograph. Lew Rose business is show as being at 387 Barking Road and the premises are currently occupied by the Paddy Power betting chain. The telephone directory also shows Lew Rose had a total of six shops the others being in Walthamstow High Street, High Road N22, High St Stratford, Rye Lane Peckham and Uxbridge Road Shepherds Bush.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: linda co on 08 October, 2018, 09:14:45 AM
Mick, on the 17th April 2017 I posted a photo on the Memories of East Ham website of a photographers shop called Glass and Sons, 387 Barking Road,East Ham. I checked on Google Earth and it was showing as Paddy Power in 2015. I'm not sure of the date of the photo but I was wondering if maybe Lew Rose took over from Glass and Sons. Unfortunately I still can't post photos on here at the moment.
Linda
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: KenM on 08 October, 2018, 12:09:38 PM
Hi, just poking my nose into your post about Lew Rose tailors.
Their shop was in Barking Rd opposite East Ham Town Hall between the High St & Atkinsons the motor cycle shop.
It was trading in 1958, the year that I completed National Service, because I bought my demob suit there.
Ken.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: alffox on 09 October, 2018, 09:26:42 AM
The menntion of Radio Rentals in the High Street brings to mind my purchase in 1974 of an ULTRA Radiogram from Premier Discount at 447/9 Barking Road for £79.50 (lot of money in those days) - just past Arthur Atkinson's motor cycle shop going towards Barking. Arthur was the former West Ham Speedway Ace and like Eric Chitty went into the selling business when they packed up the sport.  My Radiogram is still going strong and naturally it is a curiosity to all of my grandchildren - thanks to the Internet Forums I have just completed a refurbishment of my ULTRA and love hearing all of my old long playing and 78's records.    Must try and put a picture of the radiogram on the forum here someday soon.   My post is a somewhat distraction from Lew Rose but for suits I recall - Denny Mincer at the Greengate - H.Soll Cambridge Heath Road, Hackney, Max Cohen at Aldgate and another tailor whose name escapes me for the moment in Whitechapel not far from the infamous Blind Beggar.
alffox.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: harry on 09 October, 2018, 12:01:22 PM
Hi Ken Demob suit??? when I finished my National service my demob suit was =battle dress blouse(jacket)trousers ,second best boots, beret, cap badge, tie, AB 64 part one, button stick, and boot brushes, the rest had to be packed and sent off to where I can,t remember. Regards Harry.I
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 09 October, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
I found this picture for Alf of a Ultra Radiogram. Possibly not quite the same model but probably something similar. This is selling for £70, a similar price Alf paid back in 1974.

Harry's comments about his demob suit reminded me of a story my elder brother told me when he did his National Service. He was in the Essex Regiment based at Colchester and said they had to march through the town to a sports ground several times a week. He said they wore berets, army singlet and shorts only, topped of by boots and gaiters. He said they looked a right sight marching through the town.


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Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: harry on 09 October, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
Hi All I remember the first fortnight at the start of National Service We seemed to be dressed in P T kit with what was called ammunition boots with mug knife fork and spoon and to top it off every where we went it was at a jog with said knife fork spoon and mug held in one hand behind our backs which made a clank clank  clank  sound as we jogged around the Barracks .
Other things that stuck in my mind was the five mile bash part jogging then double march!!. quite nackerring but not as nackerring as the next time this was done was a year later in Gibraltar after a year of no P T obviously not as fit as the firs time it was done.Regards Harry.I.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: KenM on 10 October, 2018, 11:52:33 AM
Hi, PT at Blandford camp was a session on the dreaded gym wall bars until your arms felt like dropping off.
A jog around the perimeter road could be a little daunting because it used to be shared with very new learner drivers in 3 ton lorries intent on putting the shites up anyone that got in their way.
 Malaya was PT free, mind you, there was no fear of putting on any weight, although the food was ok, if you didnt mind reconstituted grub, it wasnt exactly a blowout.
Ken.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: ed styles on 11 October, 2018, 05:04:20 PM
Doug , seems you can remember more about my pre Wedding arrangements than me ,well let me assure you I have no wish to pop along to the said Jewellers and get a refund from from her Ring it is still nice and sparkly probably due to the fact I make her rinse it three times a day in dish water  haa 

All the best Ed
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: harry on 12 October, 2018, 11:34:55 AM
Hi Ken your story Re Blandford Camp took me back 65 years (was it really that long ago) wit the story of PT sessions I was wondering if when you did the dreaded 5 mile bash you took the same route that we took which half way through involved crossing a Ford in a small river and being stopped to mark  time in the middle until our boots were filled with water and when we continued all you heard  was the squelching from said boots.Regards Harry I
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: KenM on 13 October, 2018, 04:18:48 PM
Hi Harry, the training routine had to be continuous & my intake started training over the Xmas holiday when we were sent home. Therefore the 4 weeks we did before Xmas didnt count & we had to start again, making a total of 14 weeks at the mercy of the PT staff. The 5 mile trek dosnt come to mind, but then the whole 14 weeks was a blur. The driver training was the most enjoyable, the indoor rifle range was a doddle, this was extended for me as I was deemed to be a marksman.
All in all, my time at Blandford was ok, the NCOs were strict but fair, & it was easier to go with the flow than fight against it, a fight that you were never going to win.
Ken.
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: harry on 14 October, 2018, 06:15:31 PM
Hi Ken I fail to see how  the square bashing and PT training slipped your mind as this was part of the proficiency tests for all National Service Men.
The five  mile march was part of this test and it consisted of double marching then jogging alternatively over a five mile course.There  was also the mile  run around the 440 yard track to be completed in ten minutes easier said than done. included was the 303 rifle .sten and bren gun.I was also told I was a marksman for getting ten rounds from a 303 in the bullseye from 30 yards at an  eight foot reprasentative target which was an eight inch target ( incidently which was stolen from foot locker within an hour of returning to barracks I can just hear them telling the story of how good a shot they were!!!!).
All these tests were retaken a year later whilst in Gibraltar all the running tests were done before 7 o clock in the morning the running tests were quite hard after a year of no PT. Regards Harry I
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: KenM on 15 October, 2018, 01:32:00 PM
Hi Harry, I am sure that I completed all  the statutory tests & training before posting to a permanent unit, but so much water has passed under the bridge.
Upon arrival at my far east posting, which was a very busy infantry support unit there just was no time for PT or other army routine procedures, it was up, jump into your 3 ton motor & away, 7 days a week.
To keep up with both New Zealand & Australian full time troops, there was no slacking, there was a job to be done, get on with it. The NCOs were part of a team & blended in well. The OC was a National Service one pip wonder, no problems. The weather was enjoyable, food adequate, colleages,ok.
Ken
Title: Re: East Ham High Street
Post by: MickG on 13 November, 2018, 08:59:39 AM
This is another old picture I came across on Facebook of High Street North. The location is looking north near East Ham Station. The first turning on the left is Milton Avenue. Although undated, presumably  it has to be between 1901 - 1932 when East Ham Tramways operated. The absence of motorised traffic and the horse and cart in the distance, suggests pre-World War 1.  Although the road surface appears to be cobbles, they might be wooden blocks


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