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Wartime stories / Re: Hallsville Road School 1940. bombing
« Last post by Nels on 23 November, 2017, 09:56:28 PM »
There is a programme on BBC2 at the moment about the Blitz and in particular in Canning Town
and a lot of coverage on Hallsville school.
a bit late now but hopefully you can get it on catch up
Newham memories and nostalgia / Christmas comes but once a year - but when does it start?
« Last post by MickG on 23 November, 2017, 05:48:47 PM »
We are now but a week away from December and for many the 1st December was the start of the traditional run up to the festivities. Planning for a Christmas tree, not too early lest the pine needles started to drop before the magic day itself. Dad would plan a trip into the attic to rummage around for the boxes containing all the decorations, followed by a examination of said contents to see if they would survive the ravages of another year, or whether some would need replacing.

There was no early supply of frozen turkeys, or a large hen if you were not so fortunate, as no one had freezers to store them. These were either ordered in advance at a butchers, or bought 'fresh' in the market much later if you cared to chance your luck. In many ways the run-up to Christmas used to be something like a pre-planned military operation. Everything had to be catered for in advance but the logistics of the time, as well as a sense of decorum dictated that nothing could be done too early. As children relishing thoughts of mince pies that would soon be appearing in the shops, as well of hopeful expectations of presents to come filled our minds. Our mums had been 'stocking-up' since the Autumn and many still made their own tradition Christmas puddings. As children we all got to stir the pudding and were allowed to run our fingers around the empty bowl to taste the scrapings.

Early December tended to be something of an expectant lull with nothing much happening other than a child's ever-growing expectation. Trips to department stores to see Santa and sit on his lap while he gave you a cheap toy normally occurred during this period. Schools also began to make their preparations with the traditional licking of coloured gummed strips of  paper to make paper chains to hang around the wall. In the playground kids would begin to boast about the presents they expected to receive with each kids claim being bigger and better than the previous child. In the austerity that was post-war Britain, very few of these exaggerated claims would be realised.

And then about a week before Christmas it was almost as if Eisenhower had given a silent 'Go' command for D-Day. Families across the country all suddenly sprung into action. Dad would normally come home from the market struggling with the weight of a real conifer tree. Paper decorations would be hung up in the lounge usually emanating from a central point towards the wall like drapes of garlands festooning the room. Further chains of decorations would be hung around the walls of room. A small table would also be set up to hold all the bottles of festive cheer. Come Christmas Eve children would find it hard to sleep or contain their excitement for the following day. I forget how many times I would wake up in what seemed like a eternally long night to go into my mothers room and shake her to ask if it was time to get up yet? Dawn of Christmas would finally break although mums would have been up long before to put the turkey in the oven. Children still in pyjamas would be eagerly tearing decorative wrapping paper off their presents to see what goodies lay within. Sometimes it was just what one wanted or perhaps a pair of socks from a aunt, how thoughtful of them.  :( Many dads would don their best bib and tucker and disappear, or perhaps that should be escape to the pub until lunchtime. Eventually came the great feast itself with the table decked out with every delicious treat one could think of, except perhaps for the Brussel sprouts which adults seemed to love but most children did not. As children we never got a sniff of a turkey leg as that was reserved for adults only. As I grew older that had reversed and children got the legs instead. A flaming Christmas pudding appeared with lashings of custard and cream. It was afterwards everyone suffered from that bloated feeling as everyone lazed around imbibing drinks or lemonade awaiting the traditional Queen's speech.

Christmas itself was only a short period of festivity consisting of Christmas Day and Boxing Day. Following that people went back to work with the next public holiday not being until Easter. Even New Years Day was not a holiday then.

Slowly at first as the years passed, commercial interests started to introduce Christmas fare into their stores earlier each year. Mince pies and crumpets became available all year around and the Christmas period gradually got extended for many workers well into January. It does seem now like the trappings of Christmas start well before the first leaves had fallen. While this may be good business, I sometimes wonder if somehow Christmas has lost a lot of its flavour from the time it was concentrated into a short period of time?

Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Holborn Road School
« Last post by ed styles on 22 November, 2017, 04:03:15 PM »
Hi Lewis,
 seems yearsago ( which it was ) when we exchanged posts on the old site , there are a few of us still hanging on , but the posters are very slow responding , seems many have switched to Facebook , same you may still recognise a few names , do you remember my Brother Roger , he was in the Barg building workshop at Silvertown Services well he has finally retired and living at Leigh I think he left S,S,VS ABOUT 1965  he rememberrs you   

All the best Ed
Newham memories and nostalgia / Re: Interests and skills
« Last post by biff on 16 November, 2017, 06:53:51 PM »
An interesting topic Mick.
As a young lad I and my mates used to get up to all sorts of things, some  perhaps best not mentioned. Unfortunately as I get older some of these are no longer possible and have been replaced by other interests. I have had a lifelong love of fishing which started when we used to go and catch dozens of small perch in Sandhills pond on Wanstead Flats and later  graduated to a better standard of fishing at Eagle Pond and Hollow Pond as well as the lakes in Wanstead Park. Like you I have always been interested in history, though more so 19th & 20th century than earlier, in particular local history where places and events seem more real than just Kings & Queens type history and this has led to an interest in genealogy. I also loved a game of football , in the street or anywhere else, and I have played, coached and been involved in football until about three years ago when I decided it was time to leave it to the youngsters. Building box carts and bikes from what we could scrounge gave me a familiarity in working with tools and materials which led to a working life in engineering from which I retired 18 months ago. In my time I have passed on what skills I had in all these matters to dozens if not hundreds of  apprentices, children and others and this has given me a great deal of satisfaction. I have my Nan and Grandad to thank for my love of cards and dominoes.  I spent many an hour watching them play crib and fascinated by the board and pegs then when I was old enough  to understand they taught me how to play.
Newham memories and nostalgia / Interests and skills
« Last post by MickG on 16 November, 2017, 05:05:28 PM »

From the day we are born we start to develop individual interests. Some interests develop later in life as we grow more knowledgeable, others may be the expansion of a natural talent, but collectively them make up who we are as individuals. Some interests may be physical as in sport, others may be more sedentary like reading, acquiring knowledge or stamp collecting. What ever our individual interests or hobbies are, it is possible to become so involved in them, that we acquire a degree of expertise in our own right. Some interests may develop from our field of work, or perhaps we are drawn to certain occupations simply because they are compatible with our interests rather than the amount we can earn.

Very often it is the environment we work or live in that either kindles or fosters individual interests. My own interests are varied starting with a thirst for knowledge since ever I can remember, through to youth work when I was younger although this has faded with age. History both national and local which probably developed more to the fore as I grew older Genealogy which in a way is a off-shoot of history. Computing and programming which started when I was about mid-twenties and well before things like the internet had been invented. It is also an interest that has thrust me to the fore employment wise in the fire service well after my actual fire-fighting days were over. A good understanding of science and physics is something else I also developed to a point that it does make one question and become sceptical of many of the scientific theories that are the current flavour like dark matter. The enjoyment of classical music is something I have also developed over the years.

When we take all of our individual skills and interests and merge them together we form communities. Sometimes like-minded communities with a single thought of purpose but more often, a with a much more diverse range of knowledge that we know who in our community to seek advice from when they posses more detailed knowledge on a subject than we may have ourselves. In many ways, public libraries used to cater for that need through technical manuals although the ease of access to information via the internet has become more dominant.

As most of us will have lived or worked, maybe both in Newham, it would be interesting to hear about others interests and how the environment of Newham has either honed or suppressed them.
Historical Newham / Re: East Ham "Broadway"
« Last post by ron copus on 09 November, 2017, 07:25:51 PM »
Lots of places were named the broadway,, but the name was never used,,
Like Stratfford broadway,, Which to my knowledge  was opposite the courts in west ham lane next to the picture house ..
Historical Newham / Re: East Ham "Broadway"
« Last post by linda co on 09 November, 2017, 03:46:15 PM »
I have got an old photo which is quite clear showing Hawkins with The Broadway written at the top. I don't know the year though. Unfortunately we still can't put photos on the Forum.
Ps I can't remember ever hearing anyone refer to East Ham Broadway.
Historical Newham / Re: East Ham "Broadway"
« Last post by MickG on 09 November, 2017, 12:39:57 PM »
I came across this picture on Facebook by chance. It is a view taken from East Ham Town Hall in 1965 look towards High Street North. Hawkins can be seen on the corner on the right of the picture.

It's rather tantalising as the angle of the shop front of Hawkins does not allow a direct view. I have however looked at this picture with a image magnifier and the words 'The Parade'  do not appear to be there. Although it would not be possible to read the words at this angle, given the letter size, I think a dark like would appear in the picture which it does not. The date of the picture with the name 'The Parade' was taken in 1972. If I am correct the words were not there in 1965 the they would have to appeared sometime in the next seven years.

Historical Newham / Re: East Ham "Broadway"
« Last post by DougT on 07 November, 2017, 09:57:17 PM »
I found a photo of the same area on The Memories of Manor Park and East Ham FB Group. Unfortunately the photo which was taken in the 1920s or 30s (Tramways are still visible) and shows the shop that was there before Hawkins is quite poor and you cannot see if the wording "The Broadway" appears at roof level. As Mick said it was quite common for shops to try to get major road junctions name after them like Evans at The Boleyn and there was also Culls Corner at the junction of High Street North and Gladstone Avenue.
Historical Newham / Re: East Ham "Broadway"
« Last post by Laramie on 07 November, 2017, 07:40:26 PM »
Never knew this as The Broadway.When we got on a bus from Greengate,we always said East Ham Town Hall,when asked for destination.
Remember Hawkins though
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